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376. Saturday, January 6, 2007 9:48 AM
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Some think DV looks great some think it looks shit. Both camps have been arguing this in hundreds of threads on different boards. It really is a matter of personal preference & opinion. I can only speak for myself and I love the look of it. I am glad that there are directors such as Lynch in this world who are willing to take a risk by embracing new technology rather than play it safe.


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377. Saturday, January 6, 2007 10:33 AM
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Absoloutly, all props to Lynch for trying something new, it's a very unique look he's going for. (And something he's admitted in interviews isn't what people are normally used to seeing). The camera he used is actually a Sony PD-150, the predecessor to the camera I currently use on my film course - the Sony PD-170!


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378. Saturday, January 6, 2007 12:42 PM
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Pretty surprised and disappointed by the negativity (by some) and lack of enthusiasm on here to be honest. A proper trailer comes out and it hardly registers on the gazette. Granted, a good few lucky people have seen it already, but a bit of excitement wouldn't go amiss!


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379. Saturday, January 6, 2007 1:08 PM
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Some think DV looks great some think it looks shit.


It's not even about the DV anymore, at least not for me. Eraserhead was technically a student film, and it looked great, and INLAND EMPIRE by the looks of it is just Lynch finally getting to do a shitty looking student film.
It could be distributed on YouTube, it would fit right in. Except it has actual actors in it.

I am keeping my anticipation down, it doesn't mean I won't see it. Had his last film been Lost Highway, or even The Straight Story I would probably have been more excited by this new film.

 
380. Saturday, January 6, 2007 4:16 PM
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You should try and get Robert Blake to play the lead, They-Shot-Waldo! I'm sure he's available.

Erwin

"Robert Blake in If I Did It In Cold Blood. A film by They-Shot-Waldo!"

Yike!  Perhaps not! ...lol, I did shoot this little effort back in October for a student exercise. Certain music and particular motifs you may find familiar. ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iuKSVR-o9qk
 


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381. Sunday, January 7, 2007 3:04 AM
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Some think DV looks great some think it looks shit.


It's not even about the DV anymore, at least not for me. Eraserhead was technically a student film, and it looked great, and INLAND EMPIRE by the looks of it is just Lynch finally getting to do a shitty looking student film.
It could be distributed on YouTube, it would fit right in. Except it has actual actors in it.

I am keeping my anticipation down, it doesn't mean I won't see it. Had his last film been Lost Highway, or even The Straight Story I would probably have been more excited by this new film.


I mostly agree with you. The only reason I will see this film is because Lynch directed it and because the cast is awesome (maybe the scenery, too). But it's a downhill movement for his career now with this movie, because frankly I believe that Mulholland Dr. was the highest top and now it will be really hard to hit that perfection again (and I'm meaning perfection in style - I know some people hate it, but they can't deny the great visual effort he put in it). Moreover, it mostly goes that way for almost each director. After a movie that was succesfull and great for its cinematographic depth, they only managed to create replicas of it and other previous works, maybe varying in the style, occasionally failing... some times they just change style and it goes way better (look at Woody Allen, now he's practically an English naturalized film-maker because only british companies are willing to produce his films). So it's really hard to tell. All I know is that Lynch works outside the Hollywood system, he is a sort of financial underdog (no offense), so even though he's got great ideas, I think he isn't lucky enough to get his films financed by an independent and rich producer (or a row of them, if needed) falling from the sky like precious snow. I got really heartbroken when he categorically announced that he's through with film.  I know that it's good to experiment the new means, but a superlative artist like Lynch should not ever give up the traditional way of making a film because yes it's heavy, slow and expensive but it renders his ideas soooo much better!


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382. Sunday, January 7, 2007 3:22 AM
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Lynch was on Metropolis (Arte) yesterday : http://youtube.com/watch?v=-kSAno05TMI

This is in french though.

 
383. Sunday, January 7, 2007 11:18 AM
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To the argument on DV and the camera model, remember that this was started as new material for dl.com in the summer of 2003, before 'prosumer' HD cameras even existed. We used the same equipment as the other dl.com material was shot on. This an 'experiment', never meant (in the beginning) to be a feature length project (let alone a feature and a half!).

Dave is coming here to San Rafael Jan. 19 with the picture and I will get to see it then. Will comment here more later.

 
384. Sunday, January 7, 2007 12:07 PM
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Mr. Neff, I know it started as a DV experiment for a dl.com project. But it's not a good enough excuse for making it "a big movie to sell on the market", because the ending result is the only thing that counts. And INLAND EMPIRE is definitely a big movie. It was shown in Venice, people went there to see it, Lynch got the Golden Lion for his career. Now, I don't wanna spoil anything because I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will be very disappointed if the film fails in the attempt of exceeding my expectations. And that's a thing that's always happened to me when I went to see one of his new films. I don't want this one to fail, but I'm afraid it will...


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385. Sunday, January 7, 2007 12:38 PM
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QUOTE:Mr. Neff, I know it started as a DV experiment for a dl.com project. But it's not a good enough excuse for making it "a big movie to sell on the market", because the ending result is the only thing that counts. And INLAND EMPIRE is definitely a big movie. It was shown in Venice, people went there to see it, Lynch got the Golden Lion for his career. Now, I don't wanna spoil anything because I haven't seen the movie yet, but I will be very disappointed if the film fails in the attempt of exceeding my expectations. And that's a thing that's always happened to me when I went to see one of his new films. I don't want this one to fail, but I'm afraid it will...

Excuse ? Lynch doesn't owe you an excuse for making a feature film silencio. He owes us nothing. The way it works is he, as an artist, makes a film that he wants to make and we all decide if we like it or not whichever is the case. If he was to make a film with all our preferences in mind, he would tie himself up in knots and get absolutely nowhere. Save us your whining until you actually have seen the film and then pass comment.


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386. Sunday, January 7, 2007 3:11 PM
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For those unable to get tickets to the Cinerama showings (1/17), I.E. will have a run at Seattle's Neptune (site of my '87 wedding) starting on 1/19.

 
387. Sunday, January 7, 2007 3:31 PM
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Letsroque, you got me all wrong!

I didn't say Lynch found a good excuse for finishing this project as a thing initially meant to air on the net exclusively. I would have not minded at all, at a similar condition.

I replied so because what Neff said sounds to me like a pure excuse for David Lynch's work. That's all. And you never excuse someone else, because you can't possibly be aware of what is really going on with him. If I had seen the film and then made an interview with David Lynch, I'm sure he wouldn't have answered me that way. I don't know how he would answer, because he's so incredibly unpredictable and he's a poet. He probably would have answered talking about the way the wind blew that night he was shooting Laura in that certain spot of the location... and so on.

I'm not mad. I want to make this clear. I'm just sick of all this people who try to relate his works with things that, in my opinion, are only sideway notes that don't add nothing consistent to the finished final work. Like the thing with MD, that it was meant to be a series. Well, he got rejected by ABC and he changed totally the purpose. That's the most blatant example of the way everyone should look at any kind of art form. Like a book, you don't need to know anything about the author or related facts to appreciate its content.

I know this matter could be a potential starter for new arguments. Many people don't agree with this formalist kind of philosophy, but I'm with it, totally, since the day I was able to talk sense (if there's any sense to the words we say).


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388. Tuesday, January 9, 2007 1:52 AM
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Letsroque, you got me all wrong!


 Silencio, I've read and re-read your last two posts and am finding it hard to understand what your issue with this film is, sorry.


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389. Monday, January 8, 2007 5:00 AM
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Forget it. I don't know what I'm saying... maybe my English is a little coarse and I didn't manage to express my ideas very clearly.


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390. Monday, January 8, 2007 6:24 AM
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QUOTE: I will be very disappointed if the film fails in the attempt of exceeding my expectations. And that's a thing that's always happened to me when I went to see one of his new films. I don't want this one to fail, but I'm afraid it will...

See, the problem with this line of thinking is that you make an assumption that IE has some kind of "duty" to uphold your own very specific and personal experiences of Lynch's last few movies, in other words, you are saying "well, Lynch's last few films far exceeded my expectations, therefore if IE does not do this, it will have failed in some way". But you seem to forget that your expectations are exactly that: YOUR expectations. Not mine, or anybody else's. You are actually basing your (eventual) experience of IE on past experiences which specifically happened to you. Yet in your next comment, you say:
 
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Like a book, you don't need to know anything about the author or related facts to appreciate its content.

 

Can you see the flaw in that logic, Mr Silencio? I am not trying to make you feel bad or look stupid, I'm simply pointing out that your posts may not be read and interpreted by other people in the way that you intended them to be read or interpreted.

 

 

 


Has he taken his eyes off it yet?

 
391. Monday, January 8, 2007 8:59 AM
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Yes, but isn't art a personal experience in any case? I mean, for both the author and the audience. There are no absolute truths. Okay, now I'm getting a little exhausted.

The real reason people don't understand what I say in my posts is that I'm not able to argue for so much long. I have to be more concise. That's where I'm good... Ok, just forgive me for being hysterical. It's not a good moment, I got a lot of examinations at the university these days.


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392. Monday, January 8, 2007 9:25 AM
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QUOTE:INLAND EMPIRE is officially set for a February 7th release in Belgium. No details on individual screenings so far.

 I'm just hoping that we can soon see more of details where we can see the film, my gues there will be only a few cinema's who will play it

 
393. Monday, January 8, 2007 11:05 AM
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Yes, but isn't art a personal experience in any case? I mean, for both the author and the audience. There are no absolute truths. Okay, now I'm getting a little exhausted.

The real reason people don't understand what I say in my posts is that I'm not able to argue for so much long. I have to be more concise. That's where I'm good... Ok, just forgive me for being hysterical. It's not a good moment, I got a lot of examinations at the university these days.


 Absolutely, just so long as you understand that if IE "fails" for you, that reaction may be specific to you, due to your expectations. It's all a question of the language you use - if you insert the phrase "in my opinion" somwhere in your sentences, you can say almost anything, but if you're going to say stuff like "I don't want this one to fail, but I'm afraid it will..." you are likely to draw criticism, because your choice of words suggests that you are in possession of the "absolute truth" of the matter, which by your own admission, is impossible. Hope this helps.

 

Good luck with your exams my friend....


Has he taken his eyes off it yet?

 
394. Monday, January 8, 2007 12:13 PM
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Yes, but isn't art a personal experience in any case? I mean, for both the author and the audience. There are no absolute truths. Okay, now I'm getting a little exhausted.

The real reason people don't understand what I say in my posts is that I'm not able to argue for so much long. I have to be more concise. That's where I'm good... Ok, just forgive me for being hysterical. It's not a good moment, I got a lot of examinations at the university these days.


 Absolutely, just so long as you understand that if IE "fails" for you, that reaction may be specific to you, due to your expectations. It's all a question of the language you use - if you insert the phrase "in my opinion" somwhere in your sentences, you can say almost anything, but if you're going to say stuff like "I don't want this one to fail, but I'm afraid it will..." you are likely to draw criticism, because your choice of words suggests that you are in possession of the "absolute truth" of the matter, which by your own admission, is impossible. Hope this helps.

 

Good luck with your exams my friend....

  Actually, saying  "...but I'm afraid it will", is not presenting a "truth", but expressing a personal fear ("I'm afraid").
 

 
395. Monday, January 8, 2007 7:09 PM
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I dont want to offend any particular people, but I've noticed that here, in my community on LJ, and other places, there are people who are seriously making , well, stupid assumptions about SOMETHING THEY HAVENT EVEN SEEN. It bothers me that all this negative press about t he film originates from people with nothing to base it on. And this has been going on for the past two years ever since the announcement of IE.

 I dont want to draw this argument on, just thought I'd throw in my two cents. Let's all be patient, shall we? And as I've said before, IE is not what it appears to be... ; )

 

 


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396. Monday, January 8, 2007 7:10 PM
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I dont want to offend any particular people, but I've noticed that here, in my community on LJ, and other places, there are people who are seriously making , well, stupid assumptions about SOMETHING THEY HAVENT EVEN SEEN. It bothers me that all this negative press about t he film originates from people with nothing to base it on. And this has been going on for the past two years ever since the announcement of IE.

I dont want to draw this argument on, just thought I'd throw in my two cents. Let's all be patient, shall we? And as I've said before, IE is not what it appears to be... ; )

As Roque said, I'm suprised at the lack of exciemtnet here about the film. There is some, but why all this negativity?


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397. Monday, January 8, 2007 7:40 PM
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There is some, but why all this negativity?


When you keep your expectations low, you will not be disappointed. You might get pleasantly surprised though.

 
398. Monday, January 8, 2007 11:18 PM
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That French trailer rocks my socks.  I'm very excited. 

 
399. Thursday, January 11, 2007 4:36 AM
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QUOTE:   Actually, saying  "...but I'm afraid it will", is not presenting a "truth", but expressing a personal fear ("I'm afraid").
 

 

Qualification: you're half right. It's expressing a personal fear about an absolute outcome ("it will"). Making the statement truly personal would require Mr S to write something like "I'm afraid it will not work for me in the way that other Lynch films have", whereas what he says is essentially "I'm afraid it will fail", which, like I said before, implies an absolute outcome, which is impossible for the reasons already stated by Mr S (there are no absolute truths). Hope this clarifies things.

I'm also slightly surprised at some of the negativity from people who have yet to see the movie.
 


Has he taken his eyes off it yet?

 
400. Tuesday, January 9, 2007 9:35 AM
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Well I have read lots of reviews of it and I can honestly say I have never been so excited at the prospect of a film.

 

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