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76. Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:27 AM |
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| United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon |  | |  | | Location | Southern Lebanon |  | Headquarters | Naqoura |  | Duration | March 1978 to present |  | Force Commander |  | Major-General Alain Pellegrini (France) |  | Strength | (31 May 2006) 1,990 troops, assisted by some 50 military observers of UNTSO; and supported by 95 international civilian personnel and 304 local civilian staff |  | Contributors of Military Personnel | China, France, Ghana, India, Ireland, Italy, Poland and Ukraine |  | Fatalities | 249 troops 2 military observers 2 international civilian staff 4 local staff 257 Total |  | Financial Aspects | Method of financing Assessments in respect of a Special Account Approved budget: 1 July 2005 - 30 June 2006: $99.23 million (gross) | |
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77. Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:28 AM |
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Darn! Why does that happen, Jordan? I cut and paste and only part of it appears? Susan PS Fixed it!
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78. Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:40 AM |
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They get 100 million a year? Is that what that says?!?!?! For 2000 soldiers or so? 100 MILLION DOLLARS?!?! That alone is a scandal. It sounds like US public schools - putting a lot of money in and not getting any results. You'd think 2000 soldiers with 100 million dollars would be able to produce better results than what we see. My oh my oh my oh my....
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79. Tuesday, July 18, 2006 11:53 AM |
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QUOTE:QUOTE:QUOTE: Personally, I would think it might serve Europe well to consider leaning more toward Israel in these battles. |
I'd imagine most of Europe does. |
I always enjoy going through the BBC's Have Your Say pages. Here's an example:
Added: Tuesday, 18 July, 2006, 16:07 GMT 17:07 UK a good analogy for the current situation in the mid-east is your home. imagine if some person entered your home and through time decided he wanted your toilet, kitchen and all the bedrooms. What would you do?. get help from the police? but if they dont respond you take matters into your own hand. Thats what these 'extremists' are doing. they are defending their country as you would defend your house... as for Hezbollah each time another innocent victim dies they get another young supporter.. Voice of the Youth, oxford Recommended by 49 people or take this one Added: Tuesday, 18 July, 2006, 15:01 GMT 16:01 UK First Israel attacked to recover their soldiers [they said]; then they wanted to degrade Hezbollah’s capabilities. Now they claim they are going to need weeks to ‘finish the job.’ What job? Can we not see the sinister design in Israel’s aggressions? Destroying Lebanon is part of a master plan to have weakened, insecure Arab states around them. The apartheid South African regime tried the same tactic in Africa and the West also condoned that blatant aggression. No wonder they hate us. george dash Recommended by 76 people |
Or take this one: Added: Tuesday, 18 July, 2006, 16:20 GMT 17:20 UK The israeli are a little heavy handed on the one side? Not really, they are showing hezbollah that taking two of their tropps brings the consequences they are suffering. Hezbollah are using the media to their advantage by purposefully being stationed in built up areas. Thus knowing if they are attacked there will be collateral damage. Know doubt this brings them more martyrs. The lebanese govt is weak & also pro iranian, so if it does not want to reign in hezbollah, the Israelis should! raj, birmingham Recommended by 50 people There are all sorts of entertaining responses on the BBC's Have Your Say... Oh hang on, aren't all the posts pre-moderated before they appear, too...
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80. Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:07 PM |
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Argh, the Common Man, the Man on the Street, the Arab Street etal -- I guess there's something to be gained by hearing what they are... how you say... "thinking." But whenever the cable TV shows ask for emails for the "Question of the Day -- We Want to Know What YOU Think" I switch the channel. No, I don't want to know what THEY think. Who wants to read a three or four line blurb that spews back what Everyman has gleaned out of any given news cycle. She said haughtily. Okay, I'll fess up that I sometimes read the posts on Islam Online and the Jerusalem Post. Both have interlopers aplenty weighing in and mixing it up so it can be entertaining. Susan
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81. Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:12 PM |
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Here is the official mandate of the UN Interim Force in Lebanon. (UNIFIL) Note -- this date back to 1978!!! Talk about an exit strategy. Talk about fulfilling your agenda! Susan Lebanon - UNIFIL - Mandate United Nations Interim Force in Lebanon
According to Security Council resolutions 425 (1978) and 426 (1978) of 19 March 1978, UNIFIL was established to:
* Confirm the withdrawal of Israeli forces from southern Lebanon; * Restore international peace and security; * Assist the Government of Lebanon in ensuring the return of its effective authority in the area.
Most recently the mandate of UNIFIL was extended until 31 July 2006 by Security Council resolution 1655 (2006) of 31 January 2006.
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82. Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:16 PM |
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quote - ' Not sure how to take that so I won't take it either way. I'm assuming I know but since I've already assumed once in this post, I won't dig my grave deeper by assuming a potential personal attack.' I'm sorry I didn't mean that as a personal attack, I was just on the wind up. Anyhow I'm done with this thread as its clearly going around in circles and I can't be assed arguing and counter-arguing every point when I get home from work every day. I should be outside in the sun 
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83. Tuesday, July 18, 2006 12:34 PM |
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QUOTE: Anyhow I'm done with this thread as its clearly going around in circles and I can't be assed arguing and counter-arguing every point when I get home from work every day. I should be outside in the sun  |
Well alright for you, Mr. White Flag. We'll carry on solving the world's problems without your input. Once we've worked it all out, don't come back bellyaching about how you wanted reparations for the Belfastians though. Beware of those brutal rays now that we Americans have destroyed the ozone. Sun screen, okay, James!!! Susan
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84. Tuesday, July 18, 2006 3:31 PM |
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This is a good background piece. Susan Why They Fight
By Charles Krauthammer Friday, July 14, 2006; A21
Next June will mark the 40th anniversary of the Six-Day War. For four decades we have been told that the cause of the anger, violence and terror against Israel is its occupation of the territories seized in that war. End the occupation and the "cycle of violence" ceases. The problem with this claim was that before Israel came into possession of the West Bank and Gaza in the Six-Day War, every Arab state had rejected Israel's right to exist and declared Israel's pre-1967 borders -- now deemed sacred -- to be nothing more than the armistice lines suspending, and not ending, the 1948-49 war to exterminate Israel. But you don't have to be a historian to understand the intention of Israel's enemies. You only have to read today's newspapers. Exhibit A: Gaza. Just last September, Israel evacuated Gaza completely. It declared the border between Israel and Gaza an international frontier, renouncing any claim to the territory. Gaza became the first independent Palestinian territory in history. Yet the Gazans continued the war. They turned Gaza into a base for launching rocket attacks against Israel and for digging tunnels under the border to conduct attacks such as the one that killed two Israeli soldiers on June 25 and yielded a wounded hostage brought back to Gaza. Israeli tanks have now had to return to Gaza to try to rescue the hostage and suppress the rocket fire. Exhibit B: South Lebanon. Two weeks later, the Lebanese terror organization, Hezbollah, which has representation in the Lebanese parliament and in the cabinet, launched an attack into Israel on Wednesday that resulted in the deaths of eight soldiers and the wounding of two others, who were brought back to Lebanon as hostages. What's the grievance here? Israel withdrew from Lebanon completely in 2000. It was so scrupulous in making sure that not one square inch of Lebanon was left inadvertently occupied that it asked the United Nations to verify the exact frontier defining Lebanon's southern border and retreated behind it. This "blue line" was approved by the Security Council, which declared that Israel had fully complied with resolutions demanding its withdrawal from Lebanon. Grievance satisfied. Yet what happens? Hezbollah has done to South Lebanon exactly what Hamas has done to Gaza: turned it into a military base and terrorist operations center from which to continue the war against Israel. South Lebanon bristles with Hezbollah's 10,000 Katyusha rockets that put northern Israel under the gun. Fired in the first hours of fighting, just 85 of these killed two Israelis and wounded 120 in Israel's northern towns. Over the past six years, Hezbollah has launched periodic raids and rocket attacks into Israel. Israeli retaliation has led to the cessation of these provocations -- until the next time convenient for Hezbollah. Wednesday was such a time. One terror base located in fully unoccupied Arab territory (South Lebanon) attacks Israel in support of another terror base in another fully unoccupied Arab territory (Gaza). Why? Because occupation was a mere excuse to persuade gullible and historically ignorant Westerners to support the Arab cause against Israel. The issue is, and has always been, Israel's existence. That is what is at stake. It was Yasser Arafat's Palestine Liberation Organization that convinced the world that the issue was occupation. Yet, through all those years of pretense, Arafat's own group celebrated its annual Fatah Day on the anniversary of its first attack on Israel, the bombing of Israel's National Water Carrier -- on Jan. 1, 1965. Note: 1965. Two years before the 1967 war. Two years before Gaza and the West Bank fell into Israeli hands. Two years before there were any "occupied territories." But, again, who needs history? As the Palestinian excuses for continuing their war disappear one by one, the rhetoric is becoming more bold and honest. Just Tuesday, Palestinian Prime Minister Ismail Haniyeh, writing in The Post, referred to Israel as "a supposedly 'legitimate' state" ["Aggression Under False Pretenses," op-ed, July 11]. He made clear what he wants done with this bastard entity. "Contrary to popular depictions of the crisis in the American media," he writes, "the dispute is not only about Gaza and the West Bank." It is about "a wider national conflict" that requires the vindication of "Palestinian national rights." That, of course, means the right to all of Palestine, with no Jewish state. In the end, the fighting is about "the core 1948 issues, rather than the secondary ones from 1967." In 1967 Israel acquired the "occupied territories." In 1948 Israel acquired life. The fighting raging now in 2006 -- between Israel and the "genocidal Islamism" (to quote the writer Yossi Klein Halevi) of Hamas and Hezbollah and Iran behind them -- is about whether that life should and will continue to exist.
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85. Tuesday, July 18, 2006 9:49 PM |
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Susan, you should get a job with the Anti-Defamation League or some pro-Israeli organization than needs PR--your essays fascinate me.
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86. Wednesday, July 19, 2006 5:16 AM |
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They certainly need good PR at the moment ;-)
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87. Wednesday, July 19, 2006 7:38 AM |
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QUOTE:They certainly need good PR at the moment ;-) |
Yes, indeed. With Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia condemning Hezbollah, who knows what's next? France? Meanwhile, San Francisco had a small contingency of Hezbollah supporters outside the Israeli embassy. As is customary with those of Deep Thoughts, so are their chants...well, uh, deep. Black, red, brown, white! Black, red, brown, white! We support Hezbollah’s fight! We support Hezbollah’s fight! We support Hezbollah’s fight! We support Hezbollah’s fight! Black, red, green, blue! Black, red, green, blue! Black, red, green, blue! Black, red, green, blue! We support Hamas too! We support Hamas too! We support Hamas too! We support Hamas too! Viva viva Palestina! Viva viva Palestina! Viva viva Palestina! Viva viva Palestina! Viva viva Palestina! Viva viva Palestina! Viva viva Palestina! Viva viva Palestina! Black, red, green, white! Black, red, brown, white! Black, red, green, white! Black, red, brown, white! We support Hezbollah’s fight! We support Hezbollah’s fight! We support Hezbollah’s fight! We support Hezbollah’s fight! Black, red, green, blue! Black, red, green, blue! Black, red, green, blue! Black, red, green, blue! We support Hamas too! We support Hamas too! We support Hamas too! We support Hamas too!
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88. Wednesday, July 19, 2006 8:31 AM |
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Probably took you longer to type that out than it took for them to come up with that.
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89. Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:04 AM |
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Nope, Jordan, it was a simple cut and paste.
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90. Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:11 AM |
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well, then, maybe it took you longer to copy and paste than for them to come up with the words. :)
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91. Wednesday, July 19, 2006 9:39 AM |
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Agreed. But then again, this chant is rather a tradition. It has a long history within the, uh... "community." Maybe not as clever as... Hey, hey, Ho, Ho, (Fill-in-the-blank i.e. Israel, Bush, USA) Has got to go. or... (Fill-in-the-blank, Fill-in-the-blank, i.e. Sharon, Bush, Cheney) What do you say? Why are you following Hitler's Way?
Honestly, you'd think they'd be embarrassed by the lameness of their parrot squawks but no. On and on and on it goes. Susan
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92. Thursday, July 20, 2006 5:25 AM |
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speaking of protestors. Yahoo had this picture on their site today: 
the caption is "Supporters of Lebanon protest outside the Israeli consulate in New York, July 18, 2006."
Two things I want to point out - the first is the swastika inside the Star of David. The other one is the guy next to him. He has a sign that reads "Islam will Dominate." The picture above is a shot of the White House. Then to top it off, you'll note the flag that is flying on the White House is not the US flag. Can't tell what it is, but it's safe to assume it's a Muslim-type flag. I got two questions - are either of these guys "Americans" or are they just here visiting? And maybe the govt should add the guy on the right side to the terrorist watch list...
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93. Thursday, July 20, 2006 8:25 AM |
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I think the guy on the left was my cabbie last time I went from Central Park to Soho. Susan
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94. Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:22 AM |
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QUOTE: I got two questions - are either of these guys "Americans" or are they just here visiting? And maybe the govt should add the guy on the right side to the terrorist watch list... |
If they were British then I guess they'd fall into that 10% demographic we were discussing earlier. The Star of David 'swastika' is surely an arrestable offence. Inciting racial hatred?
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95. Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:46 AM |
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not in teh US it's not an arrestable offense. It's only arrestable if he hurts someone physically.
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96. Thursday, July 20, 2006 11:50 AM |
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'Fraid not, Ray. Not in the USA anyway. If it were an arrestable offense, there would be countless paddy wagons clogging up the traffic flow at the bulk of our nation's most prestigious universities. Sadly. Like the glib throwaway epithet of "racist," Nazi terminology flows from the lips and pens and keyboards of those too dumb to draw "subtle" distinctions. Children will play. When I see these signs or hear/read the words, I crave an instant world turned upside down where those same folks might be magically transported to live under the regimes they so avidly defend. I see that as a win-win proposition for us all. Susan
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97. Saturday, July 22, 2006 6:21 PM |
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I received this email from a friend today and think it's a thoughtful article. Victor Davis Hanson asks many provocative questions. When you look at the broader longterm picture, I think he's onto something.
Susan July 21, 2006, 6:40 a.m.
A Strange War Israel is at last being given an opportunity to unload on jihadists.
By Victor Davis Hanson Sum up the declarations of Hezbollah’s leaders, Syrian diplomats, Iranian nuts, West Bank terrorists, and Arab commentators — and this latest Middle East war seems one of the strangest in a long history of strange conflicts. For example, have we ever witnessed a conflict in which one of the belligerents — Iran — that shipped thousands of rockets into Lebanon, and promises that it will soon destroy Israel, vehemently denies that its own missile technicians are on the ground in the Bekka Valley? Wouldn’t it wish to brag of such solidarity?
Or why, after boasting of the new targets that his lethal missiles will hit in Israel, does Hezbollah leader Sayyed Hassan Nasrallah (“We are ready for it — war, war on every level”) now harp that Israel is hitting too deep into Lebanon? Don’t enemies expect one another to hit deep? Isn’t that what “war on every level” is all about?
Meanwhile, why do the G-8 or the United Nations even talk of putting more peacekeeping troops into southern Lebanon, when in the past such rent-a-cops and uniformed bystanders have never stopped hostilities? Does anyone remember that it was Hezbollah who blew up French and American troops who last tried to provide “stability” between the warring parties?
Why do not Iran and Syria — or for that matter other Arab states — now attack Israel to join the terrorists that they have armed? Surely the two-front attack by Hamas and Hezbollah could be helped by at least one conventional Islamic military. After promising us all year that he was going to “wipe out” Israel, is not this the moment for Mr. Ahmadinejad to strike?
And why — when Hezbollah rockets are hidden in apartment basements, then brought out of private homes to target civilians in Israel — would terrorists who exist to murder noncombatants complain that some “civilians” have been hit? Would not they prefer to lionize “martyrs” who helped to store their arms?
We can answer these absurdities by summing up the war very briefly. Iran and Syria feel the noose tightening around their necks — especially the ring of democracies in nearby Afghanistan, Iraq, Turkey, and perhaps Lebanon. Even the toothless U.N. finally is forced to focus on Iranian nukes and Syrian murder plots. And neither Syria can overturn the Lebanese government nor can Iran the Iraqi democracy. Instead, both are afraid that their rhetoric may soon earn some hard bombing, since their “air defenses” are hardly defenses at all.
So they tell Hamas and Hezbollah to tap their missile caches, kidnap a few soldiers, and generally try to turn the world’s attention to the collateral damage inflicted on “refugees” by a stirred-up Zionist enemy.
For their part, the terrorist killers hope to kidnap, ransom, and send off missiles, and then, when caught and hit, play the usual victim card of racism, colonialism, Zionism, and about every other -ism that they think will win a bailout from some guilt-ridden, terrorist-frightened, Jew-hating, or otherwise oil-hungry Western nation.
The only difference from the usual scripted Middle East war is that this time, privately at least, most of the West, and perhaps some in the Arab world as well, want Israel to wipe out Hezbollah, and perhaps hit Syria or Iran. The terrorists and their sponsors know this, and rage accordingly when their military impotence is revealed to a global audience — especially after no reprieve is forthcoming to save their “pride” and “honor.”
After all, for every one Israeli Hezbollah kills, they lose ten. You are not winning when “victory” is assessed in terms of a single hit on an Israeli warship. Their ace-in-the-hole strategy — emblematic of the entire pathetic Islamist way of war — is that they can disrupt the good Western life of their enemies that they are both attracted to and thus also hate. But, as Israel has shown, a Western public can be quite willing to endure shelling if it knows that such strikes will lead to a devastating counter-response.
What should the United States do? If it really cares about human life and future peace, then we should talk ad nauseam about “restraint” and “proportionality” while privately assuring Israel the leeway to smash both Hamas and Hezbollah — and humiliate Syria and Iran, who may well come off very poorly from their longed-for but bizarre war.
Only then will Israel restore some semblance of deterrence and strengthen nascent democratic movements in both Lebanon and even the West Bank. This is the truth that everyone from London to Cairo knows, but dares not speak. So for now, let us pray that the brave pilots and ground commanders of the IDF can teach these primordial tribesmen a lesson that they will not soon forget — and thus do civilization’s dirty work on the other side of the proverbial Rhine.
In this regard, it is time to stop the silly slurs that American policy in the Middle East is either in shambles or culpable for the present war. In fact, if we keep our cool, the Bush doctrine is working. Both Afghans and Iraqis each day fight and kill Islamist terrorists; neither was doing so before 9/11. Syria and Iran have never been more isolated; neither was isolated when Bill Clinton praised the “democracy” in Tehran or when an American secretary of State sat on the tarmac in Damascus for hours to pay homage to Syria’s gangsters. Israel is at last being given an opportunity to unload on jihadists; that was impossible during the Arafat fraud that grew out of the Oslo debacle. Europe is waking up to the dangers of radical Islamism; in the past, it bragged of its aid and arms sales to terrorist governments from the West Bank to Baghdad.
Some final observations on Hezbollah and Hamas. There is no longer a Soviet deterrent to bail out a failed Arab offensive. There is no longer empathy for poor Islamist “freedom fighters.” The truth is that it is an open question as to which regime — Iran or Syria — is the greater international pariah. After a recent trip to the Middle East, I noticed that the unfortunate prejudicial stares given to a passenger with an Iranian passport were surpassed only by those accorded another on his way to Damascus.
So after 9/11, the London bombings, the Madrid murders, the French riots, the Beslan atrocities, the killings in India, the Danish cartoon debacle, Theo Van Gogh, and the daily arrests of Islamic terrorists trying to blow up, behead, or shoot innocent people around the globe, the world is sick of the jihadist ilk. And for all the efforts of the BBC, Reuters, Western academics, and the horde of appeasers and apologists that usually bail these terrorist killers out when their rhetoric finally outruns their muscle, this time they can’t.
Instead, a disgusted world secretly wants these terrorists to get what they deserve. And who knows: This time they just might.
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98. Sunday, July 23, 2006 8:52 AM |
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Syria seems to be an anomolie in the long standing friction between Arab, mostly Sunni and Iranian mostly Shiite worlds. You had secular Baathist Sunni led Iraq in a long bloody war with Iran throughout the eighties. And then you also had mostly secular Baathist Syria( an ally of Saddam's Iraq) working with Iran using Hezbollah - an Islamist Shiite group- I think since 1982. The relationship just doesn't seem to make sense. How does this work? Or is it just the inscrutible Middle East Jake ? And the overall hatred of Isreal ?
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I think you're right about the Jake thing, Raymond. Too many differences between tribes; between Arabs and Persians/Iranians; and between Arabs/Persians/Iranians and the ever present historically pesky Jews. History. Myth. Holy sites. Mohammed riding a magic steed out of Jerusalem into Paradise though Mohammed never went to Jerusalem and the Koran doesn't use the word Jerusalem. Christian beliefs that the Messiah cannot return until the Temple is rebuilt. Attempts at coexistence. Terrorism, militarism, International intervention. Scapegoating, straw dogging, goose-stepping. Oh well, Jerusalem which has long been interpretted as being the location of "the Farthest Mosque." How unfortunate that it should have been located right at the site of the First and Second Jewish Temples. How unfortunate that it is the Muslim tradition to deny there ever were Jewish temples at that site. The First Temple was built in 10th century BC, destroyed by Babylonians in 586 BC (pre-Mohammed) while the Second Temple built in 515 BC and destroyed by Romans in 70 AD. Fast forward more than half a millenium to 700 AD or so, about a half century after the death of Mohammed, and the "Farthest Mosque" is built atop and alongside the ruins of the Jewish Temples. Like college students choosing up which team to root for: "My two favorite teams are ---- ________(Fill in the Arab/Muslim country of choice) _______ and whoever is fighting Israel most recently and most overtly." Or to put it another way.... "Just because we hate you less doesn't mean we still aren't going to kill you later."
Today's Jerusalem Post has a good piece by Alan Dershowitz. So, for what it's worth, Dershy... 
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ALAN M. DERSHOWITZ, THE JERUSALEM POST | Jul. 22, 2006 |
The Hizbullah and Hamas provocations against Israel once again demonstrate how terrorists exploit human rights and the media in their attacks on democracies. By hiding behind their own civilians the Islamic radicals issue a challenge to democracies: Either violate your own morality by coming after us and inevitably killing some innocent civilians, or maintain your morality and leave us with a free hand to target your innocent civilians. This challenge presents democracies such as Israel with a lose-lose option, and the terrorists with a win-win option. There is one variable that could change this dynamic and present democracies with a viable option that could make terrorism less attractive as a tactic: The international community, the anti-Israel segment of the media and the so called "human rights" organizations could stop falling for this terrorist gambit and acknowledge that they are being used to promote the terrorist agenda. Whenever a democracy is presented with the lose-lose option and chooses to defend its citizens by going after the terrorists who are hiding among civilians, this trio of predictable condemners can be counted on by the terrorists to accuse the democracy of "overreaction," "disproportionality" and "violations of human rights." In doing so they play right into the hands of the terrorists, causing more terrorism and more civilian casualties on both sides.
If instead this trio could, for once, be counted on to blame the terrorists for the civilian deaths on both sides, this tactic would no longer be a win-win situation for the terrorists. IT SHOULD BE obvious by now that Hizbullah and Hamas actually want the Israeli military to kill as many Lebanese and Palestinian civilians as possible. That is why they store their rockets underneath the beds of civilians; why they launch their missiles from crowded civilian neighborhoods and hide among civilians. They are seeking to induce Israel to defend its civilians by going after them among their civilian "shields." They know that every civilian they induce Israel to kill hurts Israel in the media and the international and human rights communities. They regard these human shields as shahids - martyrs - even if they did not volunteer for this lethal job. Under the law, criminals who use human shields are responsible for the deaths of the shields, even if the bullet that kills them came from the gun of a policeman. Israel has every self-interest in minimizing civilian casualties, whereas the terrorists have every self-interest in maximizing them - on both sides. Israel should not be condemned for doing what every democracy would and should do: taking every reasonable military step to stop the terrorists from killing their innocent civilians. NOW THAT some of those who are launching rockets at Israeli cities have announced they have new surprises in store for Israel that may include chemical and biological weapons, the stakes have gotten even higher. What would Israeli critics regard as "proportioned" to a chemical or biological attack? What would they say if Israel tried to preempt such an attack and, in the process, killed some civilians? Must a democracy absorb a first strike from a weapon of mass destruction before it fights back? Would any other democracy be expected to do that? The world must come to recognize the cynical way in which terrorists exploit civilian casualties. They launch anti-personnel rockets designed to maximize enemy civilian casualties, then they cry "human rights" when their own civilians - behind whom they are deliberately hiding - are killed by the democracies in the process of trying to prevent further acts of terrorism. The very idea that terrorists who use women and children as suicide bombers against other women and children shed crocodile tears over the deaths of civilians they deliberately put in harm's way gives new meaning to the word "hypocrisy." We all know that hypocrisy is a tactic of the terrorists, but it is shocking that others fall for it and become complicit with the terrorists. Let the blame fall where it belongs: on the terrorists who deliberately seek to kill enemy civilians and give their democratic enemies little choice but to kill some civilians behind whom the terrorists are hiding. Those who condemn Israel for killing civilians - who are used as human shields and swords for the terrorists - actually cause more civilian deaths and make it harder for Israel to withdraw from the West Bank. HOW THE WORLD reacts to Israel's current military efforts to protect its citizens will have a considerable impact on future Israeli steps toward peace. Prior to the recent kidnappings and rocket attacks the Israeli government had announced its intention to engage in further withdrawals from large portions of the West Bank. But how can Israel be expected to move forward with any plan for withdrawal if all it can expect in return is more terrorism - what the terrorists regard as "land for rocket launchings" - and more condemnation when it seeks to protect its civilians?
| Poll of the week | Do you think that the current violence in Lebanon is an Israeli provocation? | Total Votes: 854 | Yes | 22.8% | No | 74.9% | Not sure | 2.2% |
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Pretty interesting poll from the Egyptian press. It just started today and may change drastically but this is encouraging.
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Would that Egyptian poll be reversed if it was taken in, say France ? I'm not sure but, certainly Chirac's vote would be. I get from that article that there is still, among some who actually make the condemnations e.g. Chirac, a hope that by placating the terrorists the terrorists will leave the placaters alone. Sooth the savage beast kind of thing. If that is the case, the sentiment comes from fear with just a tinge of guilt -ultimately saving one's own skin-rather than "fair play" or a supposed moral highground.
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