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| 51. Wednesday, March 11, 2009 11:50 PM |
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I'd argue that Lost Highway makes more sense than Mulholland Dr, but not in the basic premise. They're both dreams on the way to death, if you want a shortcut. So is Eraserhead. Elephant Man and Straight Story are journeys on the way to death. Are people really so easily baffled? *cough* [rhetorically]
Let's call Wild at Heart totally normal, and Inland Empire totally off the wall. Where Dune fits in all of this..., I'd prefer not to think about.
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| 52. Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:42 AM |
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Whaaat? Waat dooes theeez meean? Eez theez Dhaveed Leeench? It's not about making sense; it's about relfecting yourself in 'art', finding your own feelings about the world in the work, and gaining some meaning and significance.
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| 53. Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:12 AM |
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| QUOTE: Whaaat? Waat dooes theeez meean? Eez theez Dhaveed Leeench? It's not about making sense; it's about relfecting yourself in 'art', finding your own feelings about the world in the work, and gaining some meaning and significance.
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That's all very well, but when you spend 2 and a half hours watching a film, you try to find out how the story fits together.
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| 54. Thursday, March 12, 2009 7:35 AM |
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| QUOTE:I'd argue that Lost Highway makes more sense than Mulholland Dr, but not in the basic premise. They're both dreams on the way to death, if you want a shortcut. So is Eraserhead. Elephant Man and Straight Story are journeys on the way to death. Are people really so easily baffled? *cough* [rhetorically] Let's call Wild at Heart totally normal, and Inland Empire totally off the wall. Where Dune fits in all of this..., I'd prefer not to think about. |
i'd say even blue velvet is the flickering images in the dad's brain as it shuts down, and the same could be argued about twin peaks
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| 55. Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:16 AM |
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QUOTE: i'd say even blue velvet is the flickering images in the dad's brain as it shuts down | Jeffrey's dad was quite the perv in that reading.
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| 56. Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:38 AM |
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yup, acknowledged, still standing by it
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| 57. Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:45 AM |
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David Lynch presents: An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge.
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| 58. Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:51 AM |
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yeah that's literally all he does imo but he does it with a lot of style :)
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| 59. Thursday, March 12, 2009 9:01 AM |
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David Lynch's new book will be called Catching and releasing and catching the big fish again.
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| 60. Thursday, March 12, 2009 12:54 PM |
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QUOTE:David Lynch presents: An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge.
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I watched the 60s 25-minute film of this a few days ago. It was appropriated as a Twilight Zone episode but it's not (though they felt the need to insert a faux-profound voiceover epilogue).
It was good, though obviously a little less jazzed up than Lynch's interpretations...
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| 61. Thursday, March 12, 2009 6:29 PM |
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QUOTE:QUOTE: i'd say even blue velvet is the flickering images in the dad's brain as it shuts down | Jeffrey's dad was quite the perv in that reading.
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I had that exact thought watching BV last week, myself! It has never occurred to me before.
And then I started seeing all the Mulholland Dr. motifs popping up (was going to start a thread about it, actually) and wondered if Jeffrey and Betty, junior detectives, were cousins or something (Deep River, Ontario / Deep River Apartments.) Mr. Beaumont-- which sounds French Canadian-- could be the dirty uncle people talk about in MD.
Back to topic, this kind of recycling that connects all Lynch's major works (as in David Lynch Decoded) increases the viewing pleasure of the others. Even Inland Empire. I hope he's not done.
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| 62. Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:07 PM |
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| QUOTE: and wondered if Jeffrey and Betty, junior detectives, were cousins or something (Deep River, Ontario / Deep River Apartments.) Mr. Beaumont-- which sounds French Canadian-- could be the dirty uncle people talk about in MD.
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| 63. Thursday, March 12, 2009 8:27 PM |
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Not a joke, but obviously I wasn't committed enough to the theory to make a thread about it.
I also thought it was funny that when both Rita and Jeffrey break into someone's house, they end up getting laid.
Cooped- not making sense isn't a bad thing. It's just that the mongoloids in TV Land hold his films up as examples of things that don't make sense. Don't get it. p.s. I like how you typed in dialect when you were drunk posting.
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| 64. Friday, March 13, 2009 8:28 AM |
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QUOTE:Not a joke, but obviously I wasn't committed enough to the theory to make a thread about it. I also thought it was funny that when both Rita and Jeffrey break into someone's house, they end up getting laid.
| Also lip-synching to Roy Orbison songs.
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| 65. Friday, March 13, 2009 9:14 AM |
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Yep. And the Orbison song makes both Frank and Betty cry. Plus the sneaking into someone else's apartment to find one or more dead bodies. Add a sultry brunette with accent and a naive blonde, who ends up sexually humiliated. Some gangster types. A bit of violent sex. Discussing the investigation at a diner. The importance of keys in the plot. I had a decent list. There was even some dialog that sounded similar.
I think the Lost Highway- style role-reversal combined with some Blue Velvet-ish elements contributed to the massive success of Mulholland Dr. People like familiarity.
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| 66. Friday, March 13, 2009 9:38 AM |
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i think of MD as lynch's "eyes wide shut" in that both movies combine a lot of the varying themes each director explored during their careers
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| 67. Friday, March 13, 2009 10:00 AM |
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If only MD had been able to match BV in cinematography and mood, then maybe I'd actually like it.
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| 68. Friday, March 13, 2009 10:02 AM |
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ok i'm finally going to break down and ask what cinematography is it's weird you think that booth, i feel like blue velvet has zero mood, especially when compared with moodfests like eraserhead and lost highway
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| 69. Friday, March 13, 2009 10:07 AM |
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| QUOTE: ok i'm finally going to break down and ask what cinematography is it's weird you think that booth, i feel like blue velvet has zero mood, especially when compared with moodfests like eraserhead and lost highway |
But it has oodles of mood when compared to a snoozefest like Mulholland Dr.
Cinematography is everything that goes into shooting a movie, film stock, lighting, lenses, and the actual photography.
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| 70. Friday, March 13, 2009 10:11 AM |
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so basically all the mechanical filming bits, not the direction, acting, set design, etc?
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| 71. Friday, March 13, 2009 10:13 AM |
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Yes, a cinematographer is also known as the director of photography.
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| 72. Friday, March 13, 2009 10:17 AM |
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ohhhhh now it's starting to click, i remember people going batshit over the cinematographer for blade runner on the dvd extras and now that i know what that means it all makes sense.
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| 73. Friday, March 13, 2009 11:20 AM |
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The change in visual tone from the tv part of MD to the "real" world epilog section is a major storytelling device, imnsho, but I do agree that there's a disagreeable flatness about the first part. Similar to my feelings about the shift in tone of TP -- there's the Pilot, then a change in Season One due to the technical shift, but throughout Season Two especially a lot of the lighting, framing, editing, etc., move far toward a standard model (analagous with the writing, I guess...)

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| 74. Friday, March 13, 2009 1:39 PM |
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Well, to be fair, the pilot had a couple months to shoot and the first season was only seven episodes. Season Two was a full 22 episodes. When you've got eight days to shoot sixty pages times 22 (not to mention the two-hour season premiere), your model better be lean and get set. Even a show as cinematic as 24 has to get settled with a rote method of doing things just to come in on time.
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| 75. Friday, March 13, 2009 2:08 PM |
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And that's why television is called the writer's medium. So they can sit in their egghead ivory tower getting fat while the poor actors stress their way into an early grave.
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