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1. Friday, October 23, 2009 2:40 PM
R_Flagg Where do you stand on Net Neutrality?


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Interesting topic making it's rounds in politics and technology. It looks like the FCC is proposing regulation prohibiting broadband providers from selectively blocking or slowing Internet content and applications. Republicans introduced the "Internet Freedom Act" which is silly as it should be called the "big businesses controlled rather than government controlled internet act"

From a political standpoint I'm especially curious how independents and or libertarians feel about government regulation or businesses controlling how we access the internet or how smaller business e-commerce sites could be effected?

PC World Article

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2. Friday, October 23, 2009 4:49 PM
newraymond RE: Where do you stand on Net Neutrality?


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As my knee jerks I say stop FCC (gov't) regulation.

R, i guess when it comes down to it i would give a private channel-broadband providers- the right to choose it's content. As far as news media goes that favors the 80% of companies that 'cover' for liberal entities ! I still deplore the pass given to left side interests and the damage it does to the supposed objectivity of news organizations.

Tangential but OT I suppose. NOW, I know in some areas private companies can make decisions that UNFAIRLY hose customers. As in Health insurance companies denying coverage of an incident.(Side jumping back to healthcare,) I want customers/insured people to have unencumbered rights to appeal decisions to make sure a policyholder(patient) can redress and overturn an insurer's denial of coverage and show that that denial is unwarranted.I want that right to redress to be simple to do and not cost the agreived patient having to hire expensive attorneys, etc. I want Insurance denials to be simply and inexpensively challenged !!  That would include the right to have an initial appeal determination appealed a second time to be sure the patient is not screwed. 

 
3. Friday, October 23, 2009 4:45 PM
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Hmmm, "neutrality" huh?  I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the practical application of neutrality.  Is it akin to the Swiss position in WWI and WWII? 

Must be a good thing.

 

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4. Friday, October 23, 2009 7:00 PM
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As my knee jerks I say stop FCC (gov't) regulation.

R, i guess when it comes down to it i would give a private channel-broadband providers- the right to choose it's content. As far as news media goes that favors the 80% of companies that 'cover' for liberal entities ! I still deplore the pass given to left side interests and the damage it does to the supposed objectivity of news organizations

Ah, yes Mr. Raymond I see the problem here, you have a basic internet subscription, if you want to access the websites that google bring up you could upgrade to internet plus for just an extra $25 per month.

Net Neutrality is a good thing, but I'm a lefty so this thread wasn't made for me.

 
5. Friday, October 23, 2009 6:46 PM
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What is google ?

 
6. Saturday, October 24, 2009 8:45 AM
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QUOTE:What is google ?

 Google it.

 
7. Saturday, October 24, 2009 10:13 PM
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sort of related...In our area AT&T has convinced local gov't to help them seize private property for easements to add new AT&T broadband infrastructure (basically placing 8x12' switchboxes in peoples small urban backyards).  I'd be freakin' pissed if this were my backyard.  I'd be doubly pissed if AT&T didn't share this faster capability.  I get my internets through a small local ISP, and AT&T shares it's dsl lines so far (although is not super responsive for technical problems). 

 

 
8. Sunday, October 25, 2009 1:26 PM
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QUOTE:What is google ?
Sorry, I didn't mean to confuse you, I meant The Google.

 
9. Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:49 PM
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Bio, I'm with you, this sounds like crap. I know back east the phone/electric companies have big poles located on the so called "government strip" about 2 feet wide between the curb or edge of the road and the sidewalk. But they are not on the property proper, if you will. And the phone and electric lines that lead to your house are only there because you want phone/electric service. If not -no lines accross your property.

To place an 8 foot by 12 foot box on the property owner's back yard is not acceptable. If the government makes these boxes on private property mandatory that is an outrage IMO. Government eminent domain does not apply here IMO. Even if the owners' are paid for the installations they must not be placed involuntarily. AT & T should buy property for these boxes.
Placing them on empty land on hills would be best. If they work out easment fee arrangements with the owner, in effect leasing the land the boxes sit on, that would be ok if voluntary and not disturbing a neighbor's property with the boxes proximity.

Let us know how this works out.

 
10. Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:42 PM
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Anyway I have Verizon ;)

And Booth, shouldn't it be " if you want to access the websites that google brings up you could..." not  "... google bring up ..."  Sheesh.

 

 

If i know Booth, he is checking my post for any spelling, syntax or other grammatical mistakes. : )

 
11. Sunday, October 25, 2009 3:46 PM
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If i know Booth, he is checking my post for any spelling, syntax or other grammatical mistakes. : )

Naw, that's OSF's job.

 
12. Friday, December 3, 2010 11:08 AM
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And here it starts, for those of you upset with Netflix raising rates you can find the real reason at the link below. Now with a republican controlled House I believe it will be highly unlikely that a Net Neutrality bill will ever be passed. Be prepared to pay more for Internet services you love as large broadband companies such as Comcast are basically now the "Toll Booths" of the Internet and can unfairly lock out their competition if they want to.

http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2010/11/30/now-showing-comcast-previews-a-world-without-net-neutrality/

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13. Friday, December 3, 2010 11:58 AM
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...stay tuned for the counterpoint to RFlagg's point.  It will be neutral, of course.  Oy vey, the insanity that reigns.

 

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14. Friday, December 3, 2010 2:07 PM
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If i know Booth, he is checking my post for any spelling, syntax or other grammatical mistakes. : )

Naw, that's OSF's job.
Ohhh, goodie!! As I was just laid off at the post office, I need a job! How much does this one pay?
 

 
15. Friday, December 3, 2010 2:32 PM
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If i know Booth, he is checking my post for any spelling, syntax or other grammatical mistakes. : )

Naw, that's OSF's job.
Ohhh, goodie!! As I was just laid off at the post office, I need a job! How much does this one pay?
 
Oh, I was talking about your old job, not some new one. You know, working at the post office - checking Raymond's post for errors.

QUOTE:"Toll Booths"
Well, Toll is German for great, and Booth is also a very positively charged word.

 
16. Friday, December 3, 2010 2:31 PM
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If i know Booth, he is checking my post for any spelling, syntax or other grammatical mistakes. : )

Naw, that's OSF's job.
Ohhh, goodie!! As I was just laid off at the post office, I need a job! How much does this one pay?
 
Oh, I was talking about your old job, not some new one. You know, working at the post office - checking Raymond's post for errors.
 

This fellow probably could have used OSF's help as well.



 
17. Friday, December 3, 2010 4:07 PM
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"And here it starts, for those of you upset with Netflix raising rates you can find the real reason at the link below. Now with a republican controlled House I believe it will be highly unlikely that a Net Neutrality bill will ever be passed."

If the Dems were eager to get something passed it would've already been done. I'm guessing there's enough companies with hands in both parties' pockets that will hinder these kinds of laws - not just the GOP.


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18. Friday, December 3, 2010 8:02 PM
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A deal is in the works for Comcast to take majority owneship of General Electric's current ownership of NBC Universal.

Just adding to the mix.

 
19. Friday, December 3, 2010 11:47 PM
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A deal is in the works for Comcast to take majority owneship of General Electric's current ownership of NBC Universal.

Just adding to the mix.


Also keep in mind that Comcast and Netflix are competitors for on demand services.

 
20. Friday, December 3, 2010 11:59 PM
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QUOTE:"And here it starts, for those of you upset with Netflix raising rates you can find the real reason at the link below. Now with a republican controlled House I believe it will be highly unlikely that a Net Neutrality bill will ever be passed." If the Dems were eager to get something passed it would've already been done. I'm guessing there's enough companies with hands in both parties' pockets that will hinder these kinds of laws - not just the GOP.

I never said there were no Dems influenced by the broadband lobby, just being realistic since the Reps are more unified against it which makes it even less likely now that the they control the House. At least the Obama administration proposed protecting Net Neutrality but I'm sure its been written off as some socialist nonsense. The reality is that small businesses are more likely to suffer if they can't pay the fee's for prioritized web traffic.

 
21. Saturday, December 4, 2010 10:11 AM
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I never said there were no Dems influenced by the broadband lobby, just being realistic since the Reps are more unified against it which makes it even less likely now that the they control the House. At least the Obama administration proposed protecting Net Neutrality but I'm sure its been written off as some socialist nonsense. The reality is that small businesses are more likely to suffer if they can't pay the fee's for prioritized web traffic.
And of course any measure that can throttle access to Wikileaks will be seen as a good thing.

 
22. Saturday, December 4, 2010 1:52 PM
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Here is an editorial on the FCC's plans:

EDITORIAL: Wave goodbye to Internet freedom

FCC crosses the Rubicon into online regulation By THE WASHINGTON TIMESThe Washington Times7:02 p.m., Thursday

The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is poised to add the Internet to its portfolio of regulated industries. The agency's chairman, Julius Genachowski, announced Wednesday that he circulated draft rules he says will "preserve the freedom and openness of the Internet." No statement could better reflect the gulf between the rhetoric and the reality of Obama administration policies.

With a straight face, Mr. Genachowski suggested that government red tape will increase the "freedom" of online services that have flourished because bureaucratic busybodies have been blocked from tinkering with the Web. Ordinarily, it would be appropriate at this point to supply an example from the proposed regulations illustrating the problem. Mr. Genachowski's draft document has over 550 footnotes and is stamped "non-public, for internal use only" to ensure nobody outside the agency sees it until the rules are approved in a scheduled Dec. 21 vote. So much for "openness."

The issue of "net neutrality" is nothing new, but the increasing popularity of online movie streaming services like Netflix have highlighted an area of potential concern. When someone watches a film over the Internet, especially in high definition, the maximum available capacity of the user's connection is used. Think, for example, of the problems that would arise at the water works if everyone decided to turn on their faucets and take a shower simultaneously. Internet providers are beginning to see the same strain on their networks.

Cont'd  http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/dec/2/wave-goodbye-to-internet-freedom/

 
23. Sunday, December 5, 2010 7:57 AM
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R_Flagg - it just seems like you should be complaining about the Democrats not doing anything in the last two years about it if it's such an important thing. Rather than bringing up only after the GOP takes over the House. That's just me.

Raymond - i was gonna post the same article. :)

The reality is that we need to be more concerned with the notion that the FCC is considering adding the Internet to its "portfolio of regulated industries." Once govt thinks it has the power to control the Internet, then we're all screwed - regardless of political persuasion.

I think WikiLeaks is the beginning of that. We have the US govt calling this guy a terrorist and traitor - sounds like the same rhetoric against the NY Times published things during Bush's term about the war. But the rhetoric (and the damage) is much greater than what the NY Times did then. The fallout with WikiLeaks combined with the FCC trying to regulate the Internet will be quite interesting in the coming months.


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24. Sunday, December 5, 2010 3:21 PM
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The Dems never had enough votes with Rep opposition to Net Neutrality, just saying. The broadband lobby now knows with a Rep controlled house they no longer have to worry about it coming up again in legislation which is probably why Comcast waited until now to hike rates for content providers. I think the FCC now feels mandated to regulate things since Netflix and Concast are direct competitors for on demand content. So no regulation would mean that large broadband companies such as Comcast, who already have a monopoly as service providers, would have an unfair advantage over content as well.  I guess if consumers don't like choice and want only a few companies to control internet content then no regulation is a good thing.

The funny thing is  that most people I know are really mad a Netflix and are going to cancel their accounts, etc, but really have no idea what goes on behind the scenes.

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25. Sunday, December 5, 2010 4:47 PM
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Jordan is the expert on Netfix and just as a sidebar I sold most of my position --I was lucky to get the pic from a 'natural' at growth stocks. ' The Call ' I call him and extend my thanks ! Top Rated @                            Raymond Private Wealth L L C. 

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