Smokey, I think it works better in real life when you can bang your fist on a desk.

Susan 

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

We did film tests in the Fall of 2004 that looked fabulous. Not like it was shot on film, but the translation had a great look to it. Now, this is not HD, but regular def DVCam. If you've gotten the "Room to Dream" DVD, you will see exactly what the video image looks like.

"Did they scoff the whole damn Smörgåsbord?" (Audrey) 

"Gimme a donut!" (Coop)

It's on order, John. You probably know that around these parts, a certain somebody is constantly talking up the Supreme Beauty of Film as opposed to the Vile Video. I have been hyper-sensitized to something I would have ignored in the past.

Sometimes I think about what it must have been to even conceive of the idea of a moving image on a stationary field. In the earliest days of photography, a few scientists (like Edison) might have been able to grasp it. To a population accustomed to paintings on walls, magazine and newspaper illustrations and scant samples of early portraits, the very idea had to be baffling. What do you mean 'moving pictures?'

So here we are now. Hey I watched "Reefer Madness" last week "On Demand." It had all the little stripes, spots and lines that I remember from a school film strip or the Zapruder film. And they actually enhanced the look! Once the three-dimensional is rendered two-dimensional, it will always be an abstraction so I guess it's what you get used to applying as the standard. And since video is here to stay -- can't say the same about her cousin, film -- I imagine the argument will persist until no one who remembers them both remains alive. Don't hear too many complaining about the good old daguerrotype prints these days.

Horace Greely looking pretty damned good in mid-1800s

Another guy with a hat in the 20th century

Au courant 

Susan

     
“Half a truth is often a great lie.”

Ben Franklin

I can't believe it : some ass**** are actually selling the Room To Dream DVD ! And some morons are bidding on it although DigiDesign does ship to all countries, and still for FREE !

I just reported them to eBay... That kind of greed and disrespect is just unbelievable.

The way I am working with the 16mm thing is digitizing in Hi Def right from the developed camera negative. That way you have all the look of film, with all the advantages of the modern Non-Linear Editing workflow. All the color and contrast correction happens in the Avid.

Hi John,

The clip on the RTD dvd has the videolook in it's motion, due to the 60 fields/second NTSC format. You mentioned the film tests in 2004. Do I understand correctly that the filmic motion (24 fps) is created in the conversion process going to 35 mm film? And that all the editing is done in an interlaced video (60i) environment on Avid etc, without creating a 24P motion in Avid?

Peter
www.orphicfilm.nl

"Did they scoff the whole damn Smörgåsbord?" (Audrey) 

"Gimme a donut!" (Coop)

but unless you are in the know, wich I am not

Thats quite a selfish attitude. Who determines what is boring or not? You and mr silencio? Other people use the board too, and are very lucky to have someone as close to Lynch as Mr Neff to be a poster on the board and answering specific technical questions. Also I dont think a technical Q&A section would work. IMO People tend to read threads where all the activity happens, not some nerdy part of the site where they could possibly an expert on something

Me too, and if you don't like to read technical stuff, just skip it, but who are you people to judge what is interesting and what is not ? C'mon, it's only some technical posts here and there, it's not the whole thread.

There is so few information about IE, including its technical aspects, let's keep them together in a single thread instead of scattering it.

I'd agree with you only if the IE threads were flooded with information. But it isn't. Not yet at least...

What's boring is to see stupid posts such as "boring..." which add NOTHING to the thread. Yes, that IS boring.

Can we kiss now, candy coloured clown?

"Did they scoff the whole damn Smörgåsbord?" (Audrey) 

"Gimme a donut!" (Coop)

"Did they scoff the whole damn Smörgåsbord?" (Audrey) 

"Gimme a donut!" (Coop)

Yes, but now our time is basically out. Forget it.

"Did they scoff the whole damn Smörgåsbord?" (Audrey) 

"Gimme a donut!" (Coop)

Well, I finally watched it; and it was slow going, but John Neff, you didn't let on that you would be on the DVD!!!!  We can see you!

It's really difficult to make a judgment about IE based on that small clip.  It was soooo small.  I'm sure a lot more happens (at least I hope so, and based on David's history, it will.)

PS-Special note:  No one revealed that at the beginning when David is explaining the concept of his DV, there was a picture of the Maharishi on the table.

Keep your eye on the doughnut, not on the hole -- DL

Here's a link to the clip from INLAND EMPIRE from the Room to Dream DVD, for those of you that haven't received your copy yet:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JLVH4BXlPc4

enjoy!

(Still haven't received my DVD yet)

Just watched that clip on youtube.com.......

Is that REALLY a clip from INLAND EMPIRE?  What's with all those cheesy closeups?  That was awful!  Oh man.....

This can't be for real.  Or is it?????

I just saw the clip from the site YOU TUBE but where is the circus and Laura Dern ???

You were talking about that...

Is the clip on this site is fully ??

Sophie

The circus is mentionned in the dialogue by Emily Stofle ("I thought you went to the circus ?")

Laura Dern is extremely briefly seen in the footage of the first documentary of the DVD. Read the entire thread for John Neff's notes about that. The whole DVD is nearly an hour long so not everything is on youtube.com

It just looked like Darkened room and if you are taken by the "story" and you forget about the look, I think that's a merely poor excuse. The thing that I loved much in any film that Lynch made was cinematography and now I had the confirmation that we are going to lose it all!

"Did they scoff the whole damn Smörgåsbord?" (Audrey) 

"Gimme a donut!" (Coop)

"Did they scoff the whole damn Smörgåsbord?" (Audrey) 

"Gimme a donut!" (Coop)

I'm with you. Jesus Christ on toast...what the hell did I just watch? That has to be, hands down, the dumbest thing I've ever seen. And mind you, I've seen Dumbland.

I really hope that was something random that David shot for the sake of demonstrating DV. Or they got drunk one day during production and filmed some total ad-lib...or SOMETHING. Dear lord. I have no desire to see Inland Empire anymore if that's what it's going to be like. There's no way five minutes of that story is going to get me to forget that I'm watching grainy, shaky DV.

~ Amanda

"Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave..."

My problem isn't with the LOOK of it at all.  It's the way it's done.  Those closeups are so....amateurish.  And the dialogue is awful.  It reminds me of Lynch's "The Cowboy and the Frenchman".  It's like it's mocking itself.  That clip feels like some film student trying to copy Lynch's style while at the same time making fun of it by making it so outlandish and extreme.  I don't care about how the clip looks.  What I'm worried about is the content.

It can't be a scene from INLAND EMPIRE.  It JUST CAN'T!!!

The content is exactly what I was commenting on. It looks so ridiculously dumb. I was kinda with it at first, thinking maybe it was a random scene that was just kinda odd, like the courtyard scene in Wild at Heart. And then they started singing, and I changed my mind. It's awful.

The comment about that not being able to keep me from forgetting the grainy, shaky film itself was in reference to a post John Neff had made earlier about how five minutes into the film we'd be so engrossed in the film itself, we wouldn't notice the quality. There is nothing about this that is going to be engrossing enough to ignore anything else. If anything, I would probably focus on the film quality to keep myself occupied.

~ Amanda

"Just fear me, love me, do as I say and I will be your slave..."