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> Why is "Lost" so frequently compared to "Twin Peaks"?
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| 1. Saturday, November 15, 2008 12:08 PM |
| mr. silencio |
Why is "Lost" so frequently compared to "Twin Peaks"? |
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Okay, there is this mistery thing going on, but, man, these two series are definitely different.
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| 2. Saturday, November 15, 2008 1:12 PM |
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Because anything different and unusual in the realm of television gets compared to Twin Peaks. Shoot, even Six Feet Under got compared to Twin Peaks in the beginning. It's really kind of ridiculous if you ask me.
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| 3. Saturday, November 15, 2008 5:18 PM |
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They're both great shows, but yeah, there's not many similarites. Lost, unlike TP, isn't even viewed as unconventional (though it should be), because of the mainstream publicity and coverage it gets. I think TP always seemed like it was more concerned with atmosphere rather than having a really tight plot. I know there is still lots of TP mythologists out there, but I don't really see the point as I think the mythology of TP is just there to create these great chacracters and just general weirdness. But the story doesn't actually seem to fit together perfectly (which doesn't bother me at all). Whereas the Lost writers seem much more concerned with continuity, and in that aspect it is more of a success than TP because there are some far-out elements in the show and the story is so complex but they still somehow manage to avoid plot-holes.
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| 4. Sunday, November 16, 2008 2:25 AM |
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| QUOTE: They're both great shows, but yeah, there's not many similarites. Lost, unlike TP, isn't even viewed as unconventional (though it should be), because of the mainstream publicity and coverage it gets. |
You mean Lost should be unconventional or is unconventional? Anyway, yes, it's pretty ridiculous to compare them.
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| 5. Sunday, November 16, 2008 5:10 AM |
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QUOTE: | QUOTE: They're both great shows, but yeah, there's not many similarites. Lost, unlike TP, isn't even viewed as unconventional (though it should be), because of the mainstream publicity and coverage it gets. |
You mean Lost should be unconventional or is unconventional? Anyway, yes, it's pretty ridiculous to compare them. |
No, I said it is not viewed as unconventional, though it should be (viewed as unconventional).
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| 6. Tuesday, November 18, 2008 12:05 PM |
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Ben could travel back to Twin Peaks circa 1990 and save Cooper from the Black Lodge.
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| 7. Wednesday, November 19, 2008 4:05 AM |
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Hey, I don't wana be rude, but please don't make spoilers anymore please! I just made it through half of season 2 of "Lost"!!!!
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| 8. Monday, November 24, 2008 2:44 PM |
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Actually I'd say that Heroes has more Twin Peaks type references/things they nicked the idea from there than Lost does. Claire's fascination with walking through fire for 1...Nikki's "doppelganger" Jess and now Tracey and she "now" claims Nikki was her original sister (even though she originally says she and Nikki weren't related.) Since Nikki and Jess were twins, or Jess was the dead twin in the mirror, Tracey the third who came later, in T.P they talked about Sheryl Lee possibly coming back with red hair, you see what I mean? I love Heroes but sometimes I watch and think "hmm...I wonder where they nicked THAT idea!?" don't do it so much with Lost. Except for maybe in Series 2 with the swirling Black Mist/Electricty that followed (can't remember his name the big black african dude) just before they found out about the Dharma Initiative and Ben, etc and the fact there WAS electricity on the island kinda reminds me of the "E..l..ectricity" bit from FWWM.
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| 9. Monday, November 24, 2008 2:45 PM |
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Oh! and Hiro's white-dopp eyes last week when he was in a trance state brought the final episode to mind immediately. Mind just stating the obvious now, I'll shush sorry.
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| 10. Monday, November 24, 2008 3:42 PM |
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Save the Cheerleader, Save the World... yup- that sounds kind of familiar.
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| 11. Monday, November 24, 2008 7:35 PM |
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It happens all the time, when talking to people who lack imagination you need to use references to other more known movies or shows. It's like Seinfeld meets The Year of Living Dangerously.
Hardcore TP fans are a little different though, as everything is somehow related to Twin Peaks. Lost is Twin Peaks meets Gilligan's Island and Heroes is Twin Peaks meets X-Men.
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| 12. Tuesday, November 25, 2008 8:00 AM |
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Did anyone notice the VERY SIMILAR music that was used in Lost (Season 2) ... I think, from memory. Towards the end of Badalamenti's theme from Twin Peaks, he uses 3 notes struck in a particular fashion that I positively remember seeing being used the same way on Lost and feeling that it was a deliberate 'sampling' of the shows 'mystique'. I also vaguely recall questioning myself on other possible Twin Peaks influences throughout Lost (S1-3) but are currently too tired to remember.
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| 13. Tuesday, November 25, 2008 12:59 PM |
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Heroes season 2, in the first episode, featured a piano cue when Claire and her father went to school her first day in Costa Verde that sounded very similar to Laura Palmer theme's crescendo. Also I always kind of saw Claire and Noah (HRG)'s relationship as a very far-away reference to Laura Palmer and her dad in Twin Peaks (she's being sneaking on him, he's been keeping secrets and stuff as well, you know...). There was a scene in season 1, the night after Claire got killed with that tree branch in her head, she removed it and came back to life. She returned home only with a robe on that she stole at the hospital and found her dad waiting for her. They hug on the stairs and say they love each other and then when he's gone she starts crying lying on a step of "those stairs". It definitely reminded me the "I love you princess" "I love you too" moment in FWWM.
Definitely Heroes is more related to Twin Peaks than Lost is. But I feel, thematically, Lost is closer to TP than Heroes.
Although, it is evident that Twin Peaks is pretty much different and it preceeded all these shows we're mentioning. I think, both unconsciously and deliberately, creators of these shows pay their homages to the so much inspirational, groundbreaking series that Twin Peaks has been in the histrory of american television.
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| 14. Wednesday, November 26, 2008 1:26 PM |
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| QUOTE: I think, both unconsciously and deliberately, creators of these shows pay their homages to the so much inspirational, groundbreaking series that Twin Peaks has been in the histrory of american television.
| Sometimes so unconsciously that only an eye obsessed with Twin Peaks can detect it.
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| 15. Thursday, November 27, 2008 7:10 AM |
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Are you by any chance saying that I'm the one seeing these things and that maybe they got Twin Peaks-esque unintentionally? I highly doubt that 'cause to get Twin Peaks-esque unintentionally or not, you're required to know the Twin peaks series' iconography anyway. Otherwise it'd be like I was trying to start speaking seriously on the betrayal theme making biblical references to Judas without knowing the Bible in depth, you know...
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| 16. Thursday, November 27, 2008 9:12 AM |
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QUOTE:I highly doubt that 'cause to get Twin Peaks-esque unintentionally or not, you're required to know the Twin peaks series' iconography anyway.
| It sounds like you're saying that Twin Peaks exists in a realm of its own, with no outside influence. They lifted a whole bunch of stuff to make TP, and some things (like Tibetan buddhism) are real things that can be used by anyone without being a reference to TP. Much like making new films besed on Shakespeare.
I don't watch Heroes and I stopped watching Lost during its third season but not a single one of your examples (except maybe the music) can't be thought up by anyone with a modicum of imagination and many (not all) of the examples of reference in threads like this just reek of Twin Peaks induced "cabin fever".
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| 17. Thursday, November 27, 2008 1:01 PM |
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QUOTE:Are you by any chance saying that I'm the one seeing these things and that maybe they got Twin Peaks-esque unintentionally? I highly doubt that 'cause to get Twin Peaks-esque unintentionally or not, you're required to know the Twin peaks series' iconography anyway. Otherwise it'd be like I was trying to start speaking seriously on the betrayal theme making biblical references to Judas without knowing the Bible in depth, you know...
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Are you being sarcastic with that last line?
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| 18. Friday, November 28, 2008 4:25 AM |
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Well, sarcasm is an old friend of mine, but I was talking seriously.
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| 19. Friday, November 28, 2008 4:31 AM |
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QUOTE:QUOTE:I highly doubt that 'cause to get Twin Peaks-esque unintentionally or not, you're required to know the Twin peaks series' iconography anyway.
| It sounds like you're saying that Twin Peaks exists in a realm of its own, with no outside influence. They lifted a whole bunch of stuff to make TP, and some things (like Tibetan buddhism) are real things that can be used by anyone without being a reference to TP. Much like making new films besed on Shakespeare.
I don't watch Heroes and I stopped watching Lost during its third season but not a single one of your examples (except maybe the music) can't be thought up by anyone with a modicum of imagination and many (not all) of the examples of reference in threads like this just reek of Twin Peaks induced "cabin fever".
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No, no. I wasn't trying to say that Twin Peaks has no outside influence. The last part where you say those examples can't be throught up by anyone with a modicum of imagination must really be something you're saying to me and not to a general audience, right?
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| 20. Friday, November 28, 2008 12:08 PM |
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QUOTE:Well, sarcasm is an old friend of mine, but I was talking seriously.
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Well. It's just your example wasn't a good one, as people refer to Judas all the time, and most of the time they don't know much about the Bible at all.
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| 21. Friday, November 28, 2008 12:22 PM |
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I like Lost (have watched all seasons up to this point), but it doesn't seem to be something that will stand the test of time as far as repeat viewings like Twin Peaks. I think the mystery of Lost is what draws you in and once we discover everything that really went down, viewers won't be as inclined to watch it again.
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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| 22. Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:56 AM |
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QUOTE:QUOTE:Well, sarcasm is an old friend of mine, but I was talking seriously.
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Well. It's just your example wasn't a good one, as people refer to Judas all the time, and most of the time they don't know much about the Bible at all. |
Well, that's just wrong, isn't it? What people say, well, is usually crap. Talk about what you know, that's what I say. I always try to make examples, while I speak, that refer to things I am sure I know.
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| 23. Saturday, November 29, 2008 4:57 AM |
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| QUOTE:I like Lost (have watched all seasons up to this point), but it doesn't seem to be something that will stand the test of time as far as repeat viewings like Twin Peaks. I think the mystery of Lost is what draws you in and once we discover everything that really went down, viewers won't be as inclined to watch it again. |
Oh well, you don't know that. Maybe you will be likely to watch the whole series again some time in the future.
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| 24. Saturday, November 29, 2008 7:26 AM |
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QUOTE: | QUOTE:I like Lost (have watched all seasons up to this point), but it doesn't seem to be something that will stand the test of time as far as repeat viewings like Twin Peaks. I think the mystery of Lost is what draws you in and once we discover everything that really went down, viewers won't be as inclined to watch it again. |
Oh well, you don't know that. Maybe you will be likely to watch the whole series again some time in the future.
| I've watched the first three seasons twice and the fourth once, and I think, due to the way everything seems to link and tie up, I will definitely rewatch it again and again.
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| 25. Tuesday, December 2, 2008 10:25 AM |
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Hey, what r your 2 cents on the flashforwards anyway? I still have to watch the final 5 episodes of season 4, but I was wondering what you guys are thinking of this choice. At first, with my imagination I was hoping the flash forwards were sort of alternate futures, but it seems the guys who are writing the show told they are plain insights on what's gonna happen in the future, which to me is okay although maybe it's not always a good choice because it could kill creativity, you know, and the freedom to tell stories from the island without us having shoved down our throats bits and pieces of what's gonna happen in the future. But there definitely were some episodes where flashforwards and flashbacks were co-existing and that was kind of great because at first I couldn't tell the difference and I was extremely confused. Great stuff! I mean, it's not so usual to see a show on television that has flash forwards without people timetravelling and that sort of stuff. The only thing I can think of now is Laura's dream of Cooper in the lodge in FWWM and the TP finale.
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