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51. Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:12 PM
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then we'd have a negotiable problem because i'm not into that but i guess i could give it a whirl?

 
52. Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:15 PM
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Now that's romantic.

 
53. Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:16 PM
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"Hey baby, I've drank a lot of beer, but I don't feel like walking to the bathroom.  Could you come over here for a sec?"


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
54. Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:16 PM
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i'd probably go along with any kink that wouldn't result in lasting damage or trauma

 
55. Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:20 PM
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QUOTE:"Hey baby, I've drank a lot of beer, but I don't feel like walking to the bathroom.  Could you come over here for a sec?"
This is an orangutan peeing in its own mouth.
It's disgusting but also hilarious.

 
56. Tuesday, February 17, 2009 1:33 PM
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This is just the gateway to new "things".


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
57. Tuesday, February 17, 2009 2:49 PM
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QUOTE:i'd probably go along with any kink that wouldn't result in lasting damage or trauma

 Schlob on BOB.


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
58. Tuesday, February 17, 2009 4:40 PM
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Gobble on schlob.


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
59. Thursday, June 24, 2010 2:05 PM
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I to think Lauras hand gesture resembles a Fire symbol.When the LMFAP clacks his shoes it is reminicent of Dorothy(Wiz of Oz)wanting to get home maybe this is a pre-ritual to calling forth the BLACK lodge although the actual entering is reciting the 'Fire walk with me' chant.I also recall when they find a drugged Major Briggs talking gibberish you can make out the phrase 'Garland-Judy Garland'(the actress who played Dorothy).

 
60. Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:06 AM
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QUOTE:

The Black Lodge Encyclopedia is branching out! From here on, I will no longer only focus on characters, but also other topics of interest, such as objects, locations, and sign language.

Sign Language

Laura Palmer



3) Meanwhile: Also seen during the waiting room sequence, and accompanied by the words "meanwhile". The gesture is later mirrored by the "doppelganger Laura" during Cooper’s Black Lodge test, before she starts to scream hysterically. The exact meaning of the sign is controversial, but allegedly refers to a vedic mudra meaning "do not fear". Other theories suggest that she is holding an imaginary object, like a picture, a vase, or (my interpretation) perhaps a pillow. The pose looks similar to that of a person asleep holding their pillow, but upright. It is interesting that Laura makes the sign after saying "I'll see you in 25 years". It has been suggested that the sign foreshadows what Cooper will experience in between, that is, being trapped inside the Red Room, or as Jeffries puts it: "living inside a dream".

 

Can someone provide a reference for the vedic mudra sign for "do not fear" ? 

 
61. Sunday, July 18, 2010 7:39 PM
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Here's a link that will give you information and many pictures of mudras...you decide if any resemble Laura's gestures....

http://projectavalon.net/forum/showthread.php?t=19848


"I'm talking about seeing beyond fear, Roger.  About looking at the world with love."
 
62. Wednesday, October 13, 2010 1:49 AM
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Regarding the jumping: I always thought it looked more like a kangaroo. Didn't Laura mention something to do with a kangaroo previously in the movie?


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63. Tuesday, January 11, 2011 2:37 PM
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3) Meanwhile: Also seen during the waiting room sequence, and accompanied by the words "meanwhile". The gesture is later mirrored by the "doppelganger Laura" during Cooper’s Black Lodge test, before she starts to scream hysterically. The exact meaning of the sign is controversial, but allegedly refers to a vedic mudra meaning "do not fear". Other theories suggest that she is holding an imaginary object, like a picture, a vase, or (my interpretation) perhaps a pillow. The pose looks similar to that of a person asleep holding their pillow, but upright. It is interesting that Laura makes the sign after saying "I'll see you in 25 years". It has been suggested that the sign foreshadows what Cooper will experience in between, that is, being trapped inside the Red Room, or as Jeffries puts it: "living inside a dream".


 I've got a few suggestions for some of these but my time is limited so I'll start off with the "meanwhile". I truly believe that Laura is making a tree in that scene. I've checked out the "do not fear" position and think that the sign language symbol for tree seems closer to what Laura's doing, particularly since both hands are made to form the symbol.

 


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64. Monday, January 31, 2011 2:34 PM
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 Laura

Touching of the Nose: Probably the drug connection. Possibly Laura knows something that Dale doesn’t. Also in some cultures the sign means “I am no fool”.

Extended Fingers: I can’t help but connect this to the snapping fingers. Possibly Laura is doing it in a manner different from the normal way. See my note on the snapping fingers gesture.

Meanwhile: Sign Language for a tree concurring with the sycamore trees outside of the opening to the Lodges or the wooden wand that is held by the Jumping Man and the boy. Either meaning that Dale will be stuck in the Lodge for 25 years or that he will be BOB’s host for 25 years. The wooden wand held by the Jumping Man (Dale’s possessed form?) and the boy (Leland’s possessed form?) associated with possession by BOB.

Numb Arm: Selection by Mike in some form. Corresponds with Mike’s missing left arm. Possibly a candidate for possession by Mike? Also possibly not related to the real world.

White Face: This corresponds with the pool of oil outside the entrance to the Lodges. The white face is the rim around the pool of oil, while the dark lips are the oil itself. When it comes to Laura and Leland the red mouth indicates the curtains reflected in the oil pool. It is opened. This also is linked to the coffee offered Cooper. The white being the coffee cup and the black being the substance inside.

white faces, pool of oil, coffee cup

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Handrubbing: The MFAP is rubbing his hands together in anticipation. The coffee cup given to Cooper by the waiter will foretell how Dale will react inside the Lodge. It will show which side he will be on in the end. “Heads up, Tails up”. Believing that Dale is strong, the MFAP is happy and anticipating the best. When the coffee cup is closed off it shows that Dale is strong. When it runs it shows that Dale will be weak and open to darkness. When this happens the MFAP stops rubbing his hands and congratulates BOB that he was able to get to Dale. The coffee then turns to the oil that is associated with BOB and the Lodges.

In the 25 years later sequence, MFAP rubs his hands together once more. When we see Saturn passing in the background curtains it signals that Dale will be free from BOB. Hence that gum will come back in style. This is the keyword of BOB’s departure and connected to the Log Lady’s intro where she talks about only a certain type of gum being good.

Feet Sign: There is a very noticeable change in the MFAP reaction to Cooper from when he first enters to when the MFAP makes this gesture.  At first he glares at Dale. He then states that when Dale sees him again it won’t be him. After this he does the feet sign and he seems much more congenial.  Some take the “When you see me again it won’t be me” to be in reference to the appearance of his doppelganger. However,  the next time that Dale sees the MFAP, after the MFAP disappears, is when he tells him “Wrong way” which is not a doppelganger. I think that the MFAP before the feet sign is different from the one after it. In fact, I believe that the feet sign is actually the MFAP kicking himself.

I think this part of the MFAP was aware of the change in past when Dale went against him and told Laura not to take the ring. This one is far less trusting. However, this hasn’t happened in a way so part of him would trust Dale. It is a paradox and one that explains the feet sign to me. The MFAP is literally kicking himself for something he regrets.

Indian Whooping Cry: Reminiscent of the white noise of electricity. Also a war cry. The White Lodge against the Black. Notable that after having made the sound the waiter says “Hallelujah” and the MFAP echoes it.

Dancing: To me I think Lynch connected the dancing more with Mike and the singing aspect with BOB. Leland danced in his grief saying that “We have to dance”.  The MFAP dances. According to Harriet’s dream she also saw Laura dancing and that it was her calling.

Other characters primarily the Chalfonts/Tremonds

Pointing: Many characters also point in regards to Cooper. Phillip Jeffries does when he asks “Who do you think this is there?”.  Gordon Cole points at Dale in response saying he’s Special Agent Dale Cooper. In the Lodge in the finale the MFAP points at Dale when he says “Wrong way”. To me this may form a connection to “Fell a victim” when the boy points at BOB, possibly indicating that BOB has found a new host: Dale Cooper.

In “Wild at Heart” Sailor points an accusing finger at Lulu’s mother who has just set him up for imprisonment.

Jumping: Young birds sometimes jump. This could be in connection to “the owls are not what they seem”. The boy is a representation of Leland’s possessed state. The mask worn may suppose to resemble an owl. The Jumping Man is the representation of Dale Cooper’s possessed state. His movements seem birdlike as well, possibly even flapping his arms as if they were wings.

There is also that age old expression: You say jump I say how high? BOB is in control. When he says jump the host can only do as instructed.

Finger Snap: Transports items and people. Also could indicate what it feels like for BOB’s host. Things happen abruptly. BOB can take control just like that. It is interesting to link it to hypnosis. A hypnotist will often use the snapping of a finger to wake or put their subject into a trance. While in the trance they are unaware and the hypnotist can control them.

This could link to the extended finger gesture that Laura gives Dale. She was not controlled by BOB. She does not snap her fingers, at least not in the usual way. 

 


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65. Monday, January 31, 2011 4:18 PM
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Very interesting theories, forgiveness. As always. Many of the things you mention, I didn't think of but they seem to make perfect sense, for instance the part with the coffee being solid, fluid and oil-like as well as the white rim of the oil pool. Interesting how Leland's screaming face and black mouth resembles a white coffee cup with black coffee in it.

An interesting thing to note also (not related to sign language though) is that MFAP says "Wow Bob Wow". This is not just a palindrome but also a "phonetic palindrome" - even the sound is the same backwards. Maybe it signifies that time changes direction. About the 25 years: could it also mean that Cooper has been possessed by a good spirit for 25 years before being trapped in the lodge in the final episode? Or at least since the last time Jupiter and Saturn met. Everything is cyclic.

Not sure if I understand the dancing bit you mention: Leland also dances when he's with Donna. At that time, BOB is definitely in control so the dancing bit seems to relate to him as well as Mike. And about the jumping bird bit: I think it is a chicken because just before the boy appears, Leland says "I chickened out". Whether there is a deeper meaning I don't know. Probably, as it is a Lynch movie :-)


Th vwls r nt wht th sm
 
66. Monday, January 31, 2011 5:58 PM
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One addition to this: when MFAP says the palindrome"Wow Bob Wow", it might be the point at which future and past collide somehow. Just after that, he says "Fire walk with me". Maybe these two things refer to the poem "In the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see, one chants/chance out between two worlds, fire walk with me".


Th vwls r nt wht th sm
 
67. Tuesday, February 1, 2011 12:48 PM
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QUOTE:
An interesting thing to note also (not related to sign language though) is that MFAP says "Wow Bob Wow". This is not just a palindrome but also a "phonetic palindrome" - even the sound is the same backwards. Maybe it signifies that time changes direction. About the 25 years: could it also mean that Cooper has been possessed by a good spirit for 25 years before being trapped in the lodge in the final episode? Or at least since the last time Jupiter and Saturn met. Everything is cyclic.
 

Not sure if I understand the dancing bit you mention: Leland also dances when he's with Donna. At that time, BOB is definitely in control so the dancing bit seems to relate to him as well as Mike. And about the jumping bird bit: I think it is a chicken because just before the boy appears, Leland says "I chickened out". Whether there is a deeper meaning I don't know. Probably, as it is a Lynch movie :-)

Unfortunately for Dale, I still think it makes more sense if he was inhabited by an evil spirit, probably BOB, than a good one. This seems more probable with Laura's doppelganger screaming at him in fear. If a doppelganger is what is the hidden nature of a person Laura's was her fear of BOB.

I guess I meant I don't know if Lynch wanted BOB associated with dancing as much as with singing. In the script for episode 8 Leland was supposed to sing and do a dance number and then pass out. Lynch changed it to just the singing. Since Leland's hair turning white seemed synonoymous with BOB being fully returned and in control, and Leland seeming to sing more often than dance, I think their may be a connection.

Also BOB saying in the alternate pilot ending in regards to Mike: "Oh I so much wanted to sing with him again." Also during the FWWM script when BOB was taking the girls up to the train car Mike says "BOB I can hear you singing." 

I don't know if Lynch would have had Leland/BOB wishing to dance with Donna first or not. It's tricky because it can't be proven. I do know that Leland seemed to like dancing and this was a perfect opportunity for BOB to try to get close to Donna. 

QUOTE:One addition to this: when MFAP says the palindrome"Wow Bob Wow", it might be the point at which future and past collide somehow. Just after that, he says "Fire walk with me". Maybe these two things refer to the poem "In the darkness of future past, the magician longs to see, one chants/chance out between two worlds, fire walk with me".


This is interesting garlandbozia!

I always think that the poem is the film FWWM incarnate and that is where it gets its name from.
 

“Through the darkness of future pasts the Magician longs to see,”

Time has been shifted to the past, specifically the time when Laura was alive and BOB was close to possessing her. If the boy is representative of Leland’s possessed state it is significant that Mrs. Tremond says he is studying magic. The wooden wand may represent this as well. For the poem, the specific Magician is Cooper. In the script MFAP asks Dale if it is future or past 2 times, once when it is the past before the attempt is made to give the ring to Laura and once near the end when it is the future.

“One chants/chance out between two worlds, Fire Walk with Me”

Dale’s one chance out of the Lodge is if Laura does not take the ring. He is chanting out “Fire Walk With Me”. I know it’s not often said but “Fire walk with me” can also be linked to BOB possessing someone. The fire (BOB) walks with his host.

 


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68. Tuesday, February 1, 2011 1:00 PM
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I like the interpretation of Laura's hand sign as a tree. Very nice Forgiveness.


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69. Wednesday, February 2, 2011 2:47 PM
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QUOTE:
 And about the jumping bird bit: I think it is a chicken because just before the boy appears, Leland says "I chickened out". Whether there is a deeper meaning I don't know. Probably, as it is a Lynch movie :-)

 The more I think about this the more I like it! It would make sense. Since the song “Black Dog Runs at Night” is playing here. I always think that the song is played when something BOB isn’t thrilled about occurs. It could be the boy’s way of mocking BOB.
QUOTE:I like the interpretation of Laura's hand sign as a tree. Very nice Forgiveness.

 Thanks so much! I’m glad you like it!

Other associations with trees I forgot to mention are that after Laura has let the feeling of BOB come over her, and her face has changed color, she says “The trees, the trees”. This probably references the sycamores at Glastonberry Grove. The boy also uses the “Fell a victim” line as one would say about a tree having been chopped down; More connections to BOB.


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70. Sunday, August 28, 2011 3:57 PM
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When you mentioned the tapping feet, I automatically thought of the Wizard of Oz- "there's no place like home". (Has this already been mentioned?) Doesn't Laura say she's "going home" the night she gets killed and doesn't another character, (I'm forgetting who) say something along these lines as well? I know someone had the theory that "going home" meant being possessed or being killed. This would definitely connect to Cooper, considering he is possessed, and this is the last movement the LMFAP does, either after or before saying "wow BOB wow, fire walk with me" which someone mentioned meant that BOB had accessed Cooper's fear. Does anyone else thinks this makes sense?

 


Love, Laura
 
71. Sunday, September 4, 2011 2:07 AM
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That is... brilliant. I like this interpretation very much, thanks. The "other line" you're thinking of is probably one from the FWWM script that wasn't used in the final movie. There's an exchange between Cooper and the MFAP where he asks "where am I and how can I leave?", to which the MFAP replies "you are here and there's nowhere to go... but home!".


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72. Tuesday, September 6, 2011 3:29 PM
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QUOTE:That is... brilliant. I like this interpretation very much, thanks. The "other line" you're thinking of is probably one from the FWWM script that wasn't used in the final movie. There's an exchange between Cooper and the MFAP where he asks "where am I and how can I leave?", to which the MFAP replies "you are here and there's nowhere to go... but home!".


 Wow, thank you! :) 

 Oh yes, that's the scene I was thinking of, and it definitely makes more of a connection, meaning that the only way Dale can get out of the Black Lodge is if he dies or. . 


Love, Laura
 

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