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26. Monday, January 21, 2008 10:33 PM
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I didn't even know under the sycamore trees was on it.  I assume its the same version as the final episode?  If so I am buying this soon!

 
27. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 2:05 AM
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 sorry if i wasnt clear, but i wasnt refering to you, save for mentioning the non-sped up part.

 

Yes yes. Don't be sorry. I just wanted to make sure no one did not think I was one of the "Just You"-haters.

 
28. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:08 AM
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QUOTE:I didn't even know under the sycamore trees was on it.  I assume its the same version as the final episode?  If so I am buying this soon!

 I thought Sycamore Trees is not on the cd. Am I right?

 
29. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:23 AM
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QUOTE:I didn't even know under the sycamore trees was on it. I assume its the same version as the final episode? If so I am buying this soon!

I thought Sycamore Trees is not on the cd. Am I right?
When I looked on the track listing I did not see it.  I must've just misread someones post on the first page of replies.  My apologies.

 
30. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 7:27 AM
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its on the FWWM soundtrack, not twin peaks season 2.
not sure why, other than its a knock out track.

 
31. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 10:42 AM
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Oh yes, I meant the season 2 cd. Is the "Sycamore Trees" on the FWWM cd same version that was heard in the last episode of the series? Hope it is! 

 
32. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:00 PM
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QUOTE:Oh yes, I meant the season 2 cd. Is the "Sycamore Trees" on the FWWM cd same version that was heard in the last episode of the series? Hope it is!
It is not the same as the final episode version.  It's close but not as good.

 
33. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:21 PM
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QUOTE: It is not the same as the final episode version.  It's close but not as good.

 Aaarghh!!

 
34. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 1:52 PM
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um, i have to disagree. it is the same version, except it is the full song, not starting in the middle as it does in ep 29 with sax solo/dance wonderfulness that it is. so id have say to same its not the same, its even better

 
35. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:20 PM
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  James Marshall's voice IS sped up for Just You, unless you wanna call him a liar. He told a very detailed account of this at the TP Fest several years ago. There were quite a few witnesses & I think it was even reprinted in W.I.P.   His vocal didn't match the key of the guitar backing, hence the technical fix...

 
36. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 3:21 PM
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um, i have to disagree. it is the same version, except it is the full song, not starting in the middle as it does in ep 29 with sax solo/dance wonderfulness that it is. so id have say to same its not the same, its even better


 Hear hear!!

 
37. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:44 PM
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I assumed we could say any song from season 2, not just what's on the CD.

 

The version of UTST on the FWWM soundtrack is great, it doesn't mess up the greatness of what they actually used in the show. I mean, "I've got idea man", what's better than that? 

 
38. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 4:51 PM
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We need a long version on CD of the intro to the Dark Mood Woods/Red Room (the Log Lady intro/Glastonbury Grove music).  That was one of the tracks I was looking most forward to and we only got a little snippet of it.  Same goes for I'm Hurt Bad.

 


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39. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 5:10 PM
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I assumed we could say any song from season 2, not just what's on the CD.

 

The version of UTST on the FWWM soundtrack is great, it doesn't mess up the greatness of what they actually used in the show. I mean, "I've got idea man", what's better than that? 

The thread is a bit badly titled, but the initial post DID specify what's on the actual C.D.
 

 
40. Tuesday, January 22, 2008 11:22 PM
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Relistening to this on the car ride to work today I think I was wrong earlier.  It is a lot more accurate than I thought it was when I had last listened to it.  I am listening to it and the version off the DVD and it is pretty dead on. I remember thinking the voice didn't sound the same.  I was wrong.

 
41. Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:27 AM
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I assumed we could say any song from season 2, not just what's on the CD.

 

The version of UTST on the FWWM soundtrack is great, it doesn't mess up the greatness of what they actually used in the show. I mean, "I've got idea man", what's better than that? 

The thread is a bit badly titled, but the initial post DID specify what's on the actual C.D.
 


 Awwww, heck, I was just trying to make the title short and sweet to draw you in to read the post so your auditory memory would start churning as you remembered some of the best music compositions ever.....

but I have enjoyed reading the feedback of season 2 music in general, throw the guidelines to the wind.  :)


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42. Thursday, January 24, 2008 9:52 AM
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QUOTE:  James Marshall's voice IS sped up for Just You, unless you wanna call him a liar. He told a very detailed account of this at the TP Fest several years ago. There were quite a few witnesses & I think it was even reprinted in W.I.P.   His vocal didn't match the key of the guitar backing, hence the technical fix...

 i stand corrected. and impressed. they did a fine job of masking that up. but considering what they did with speech in the red room/black lodge, it probably wasnt too hard speeding up his voice while still keeping it in tune and rhythm. i guess i assumed that the technology wasnt there in 90-91, as even now, pitch shifters and auto-tuners(like what lynch used to sing ghost of love, and ms. spears appears to be unable to live without) arent the most reliable machines.

 
43. Thursday, January 24, 2008 11:58 AM
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 i stand corrected. and impressed. they did a fine job of masking that up. but considering what they did with speech in the red room/black lodge, it probably wasnt too hard speeding up his voice while still keeping it in tune and rhythm. i guess i assumed that the technology wasnt there in 90-91, as even now, pitch shifters and auto-tuners(like what lynch used to sing ghost of love, and ms. spears appears to be unable to live without) arent the most reliable machines.

 What, you think the early 90's are some kinda pre-historic ages of studio technology? It wasn't that long ago, you know.

 
44. Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:39 PM
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Brian Wilson sped up or slowed down sections of tape in the mid-60s. No digital auto-tune is needed for simple speed adjustment. Since the "Just You" guitar track was pre-recorded, all they had to do was slow down the track to a different key and have Marshall sing in that key, i.e. his normal range. Then when it's played back on regular speed, we get the helium James we know and love. In fact, although I'm not a recording engineer I'm pretty sure this is easier to accomplish on tape machines than on computers.


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45. Thursday, January 24, 2008 1:36 PM
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honestly, i work in music, am a part time engineer, and have producer friends young and old. it was ALOT harder to do this sort of thing back then. even on the best recorders. tape can do crazy things. and the voice has differnet timbres according to the key and range you are singing in. speeding up a song in G to sound in C will greatly affect the tone of voice and how natural it sounds. its only in the past 10 years that digital has even gotten decent as far as pitch-shifitng and such. and it is still far from perfection.(ahem*ms. spears). tho i think lynch used its affect well on Ghost of Love.

heres a little treat
a producer friend and bandmate of mine is doing the soundtrack to a musical called "were the world mine"
GUESS WHO HAS A MUSICAL NUMBER?
WENDY ROBIE!
here she is at our studio on the northside of chicago

wendy sings

 
46. Thursday, January 24, 2008 2:06 PM
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I'm well aware of that. Isn't that the reason why Marshall doesn't sound natural at all? Is really recording with no processing of any sort except slowing down the tape, record on one of the tracks, and then replay it at the proper speed that hard? I know of several times Brian Wilson did this for effect, and that was in the 60s.

The suggestion that this was easier to do with tape came from a friend of mine who works as a professional engineer. He might be set in his ways, but he didn't think simple speed tricks with tape was that hard. Also, I found this nugget from an audio forum amusing in this context: "I remember the good time of varispeed. I used to record at different speeds, and it gave very interesting sonic results.
Is it possible to do that in Logic?"

Or am I just misunderstanding what you're saying? Are you saying that there's some kind of digital pitch correction or auto-tune involved? Do we know if Angelo used digital in 1990?

Cool picture of Wendy Robie. I always liked her a lot, and I'd love to hear the song. Thanks for posting the picture.


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47. Thursday, January 24, 2008 3:02 PM
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Forget Brian Wilson's innovations! What about Alvin & The Chipmunks or Les Paul's studio wizardry even before that?!  Sure, it's a bit tricky, but far from impossible...

 
48. Saturday, January 26, 2008 12:35 PM
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I'm well aware of that. Isn't that the reason why Marshall doesn't sound natural at all? Is really recording with no processing of any sort except slowing down the tape, record on one of the tracks, and then replay it at the proper speed that hard? I know of several times Brian Wilson did this for effect, and that was in the 60s.

im sorry if i wasnt being clear. i was fooled by the effect and reverb. i thought marshall was singing falsetto. i am a sucker for 50's-ish crooning, so maybe i wanted to believe just a little too much.

people have always experimented with ways to affect tape since it was invented. but it is two completely different species to use it for effect and to use it to transpose a lead vocal. when you record a sound at a certain speed, and when that speed is varied(changing the key), not only pitch, but timbre, phrasing, length, even harmonic overtones are changed. so even if you get the speed right for the new key(which is not impossible, but is a task, really depends on the machine and tape), all the other qualities of sound are changed as well, usually resulting in a completely unnatural sound(alvin and the chipmunks). but with a bit of competency on the part of the singer and the engineer, it is quite acheivable to sound natural. thats what auto-tuners and the like do now, transpose the key as well as the characteristics of the sound.

The suggestion that this was easier to do with tape came from a friend of mine who works as a professional engineer. He might be set in his ways, but he didn't think simple speed tricks with tape was that hard. Also, I found this nugget from an audio forum amusing in this context: "I remember the good time of varispeed. I used to record at different speeds, and it gave very interesting sonic results.
Is it possible to do that in Logic?"

it is just as easy to varispeed in digital as it is analog. and they are both fun in their own ways. 

Or am I just misunderstanding what you're saying? Are you saying that there's some kind of digital pitch correction or auto-tune involved? Do we know if Angelo used digital in 1990?
 

thats a good question. i hear a bit of digital processing in all of TP music, and i know angelo used synths quite a bit, but im betting that was all before hitting tape. most "L.A. industry type" studios still used the big 24+track reel to reel recorders until the late ninties. at least thats what i have seen in my experience. tho lynch has been into digital for awhile, and was using it for music way before film, so its not out of the question. Mr. Neff? are you around?

Cool picture of Wendy Robie. I always liked her a lot, and I'd love to hear the song. Thanks for posting the picture.

not sure when the movie will be available. i know its in very post production, if not already done. my friend did the score and recorded everything musically related, but didnt write the musical number she sings in. i guess he told her of my TP tendencies(i wasnt involved in the recording and wasnt around) and she seemed quite pleased, as well as being very nice and professional. if i hear anything ill be sure to let you know.


 

 
49. Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:12 PM
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At the risk of repeating myself, my point was this: you wouldn't even need to get the pitch right if you slow down the tape of the pre-recorded bit while recording the vocal. You sing in pitch with the deeper, underwater-ish sound of the guitar and then the voice is the only affected part when you speed it back up. And it wouldn't be that hard to get the pitch right either since modern tape machines can run at standardized speeds. The act of recording would be the hard part, but a competent engineer should be able to do this. I know it affects the vocal track in various ways and that digital technology can accomplish a closer semblance to "natural" sound. But that's the thing: "Just You" doesn't sound natural at all, so what digital can do better than analogue isn't really the issue here. Isn't this a fair assessment? Why would they be "different species", as you say, if "natural" sound isn't the issue?

Thanks again for the Wendy info! Let us know!


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50. Saturday, January 26, 2008 1:37 PM
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i guess i meant they are different in purpose and ease. which i thought was the issue. a varispeed effect can be done easily, digitally or analog. matching a lower vocal to higher music takes much planning. when you slow down the tape, the time slows as well. so if youre at half time, you have to sing twice as long, as the music is twice as long. this affects the phrasing. this is just one example of the adjustments for varispeed, if one is trying to make it sound natural. and by natural i mean in tune and rhythm. the vocals in "just you" are drenched in reverb, so they arent going to sound natural, regardless of pitch. but underneath all that reverb, i thought it was a believable, natural singing voice. so that was how i was defining it. i think we're pretty much saying the same thing, just approaching it from different places.

 

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