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| 1. Thursday, June 28, 2007 1:53 AM |
| Miss Meliss |
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is Gordon Cole. I can't believe I didn't think of it before. That's why in FWWM they keep going back and forth between the twos of them and why the grandson is wearing the suit. I am a genius. Just think of the implications this has on "Cole's blue rose cases!"
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| 2. Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:08 AM |
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This is definitely a challenging theory. Watching FWWM when Coop is approaching the previous trailer site (where the Chalfonts / Tremonds lived) I noticed a blue object (flower?) in the background in the green bushes. Unless the movie is available in HD it remains debatable what that is. If it is a blue rose, that would validate your theory beyond doubt. One might take the grandson's line "fell a victim" as a hint for your theory (do serial killers call their prey "victim"?), but I remain sceptical in regard to Gordon's notorious hearing problem which the grandson doesn't seem to have Mrs. Tremond's grandson provides clues (wearing a mask which I take as an obvious symbol for Bob wearing a mask by hiding in hosts where the monkey face is a metaphor for Bob's animalistic savagery) in FWWM. I got to watch again the episode where Donna meets the Tremonds. However, Gordon seems to know a lot of unusual cases, where the blue rose cases seem to involve supernatural stuff. I noticed equally with Chester Desmond and Dale Cooper that they have an usual capability for following instincts / intuition. Not exactly the average FBI agents.
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| 3. Thursday, June 28, 2007 4:14 AM |
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Mrs. Tremond's grandson is played by David Lynch's son - That's why he looks so much like David Lynch/GordonCole
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| 4. Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:15 AM |
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I just watched episode # 9 of season 2. Mrs. Tremond's grandson does a "magic trick" (making the corn / garmbozia disappear - well, that at least establishes they are not that indifferent...), snips his fingers saying "sometimes things just happen like this", says something in French (I believe) and says "she (Donna) seemed to be a very nice girl". I don't remember Gordon ever snipping his fingers like that. If he did, that theory would have sound foundation.
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| 5. Thursday, June 28, 2007 5:23 AM |
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Laura's snaps her fingers a bit like that though - does this mean that the boy might actually be Laura? I think that would be reading a little too much into it! Although I rather like the idea that the grandson is Cole, it doesn't really hold up to scrutiny As for the unusual methodology of Coop and Desmond - I heard that J. Edgar Hoover was actually quite fond of utilising strange techniques to solve cases
Has he taken his eyes off it yet?
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| 6. Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:43 AM |
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| QUOTE:Mrs. Tremond's grandson is played by David Lynch's son - That's why he looks so much like David Lynch/GordonCole |
Except in the movie, where it's his nephew. | QUOTE: Mrs. Tremond's grandson provides clues (wearing a mask which I take as an obvious symbol for Bob wearing a mask by hiding in hosts where the monkey face is a metaphor for Bob's animalistic savagery) in FWWM. |
It seems to me that this would indicate more that the grandson is Leland rather than BOB.
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| 7. Thursday, June 28, 2007 8:16 AM |
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| QUOTE: is Gordon Cole. I can't believe I didn't think of it before. That's why in FWWM they keep going back and forth between the twos of them and why the grandson is wearing the suit. I am a genius. Just think of the implications this has on "Cole's blue rose cases!" |
Uhm, would you mind going a little deeper? What do you base this theory on? I like the idea, but... yeah please explain.
Ditte
Yeah but no but yeah but no but....
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| 8. Thursday, June 28, 2007 9:50 AM |
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The boy being Leland made some more sense, but I'm skeptical about both theories. The kid being Cole just doesn't make any sense... I don't see any possible parallels.
That god damn trailer's more popular than Uncle's Day in a whorehouse!
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| 9. Thursday, June 28, 2007 12:40 PM |
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I always thought of the grandson as 'The Magician' as in: "The Magician longs to see" This also points in some way to the mask if I remember, it has no eye holes thus him longing to see. I was going to add the bit about the young actor being related to Lynch too.
Maybe she'll grow wings and join the circus.
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| 10. Thursday, June 28, 2007 7:58 PM |
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QUOTE: | QUOTE:Mrs. Tremond's grandson is played by David Lynch's son - That's why he looks so much like David Lynch/GordonCole |
Except in the movie, where it's his nephew. | QUOTE: Mrs. Tremond's grandson provides clues (wearing a mask which I take as an obvious symbol for Bob wearing a mask by hiding in hosts where the monkey face is a metaphor for Bob's animalistic savagery) in FWWM. |
It seems to me that this would indicate more that the grandson is Leland rather than BOB. | Allow me to dispel this myth ONE more time: Jonathan LePelle is of NO familial relation to David Lynch. I asked him...
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| 11. Thursday, June 28, 2007 2:25 PM |
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| QUOTE: I always thought of the grandson as 'The Magician' as in: "The Magician longs to see" This also points in some way to the mask if I remember, it has no eye holes thus him longing to see. |
Darn...sometimes it is so obvious that one doesn't see it. Thanx 
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| 12. Thursday, June 28, 2007 3:26 PM |
| T41PAN |
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I presume that is a sarcastic reply......... there are some things that people look for that arent actually there.
Maybe she'll grow wings and join the circus.
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| 13. Thursday, June 28, 2007 6:18 PM |
| Miss Meliss |
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OK, so I rewatched the scene in FWWM ( the one with Agent Jefferies) when I had my idea about the grandson being Cole. Here is what I am going on. They have the exact same hair. They are wearing the exact same clothes. They look exactly alike. It's not much, but I think it is a fun theory play around with. I also want to throw in the idea that the building in the scene is set up like that of the black lodge. Remember when Coop is in the hallway looking in the security camera? Well, Cooper runs around in that sence a lot like he does in Episode 29, from one room into the other. It is espcially evident after Agent Jefferies walks by and Coop is watching the video in the other room. He runs out of the room into the hallway and then into the room with Agent Cole, reminicent of the way he runs in the lodge.
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| 14. Friday, June 29, 2007 12:17 AM |
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No, my reply wasn't sarcastic. Here is the full poem again: Through the darkness of future past The magician longs to see. One chants [some sources say "chance"] out between two worlds Fire walk with me. Mrs. Tremond tells Donna, that her grandson studies magic. Somebody "longing to see" can also refer to somebody who is still learning: That equally applies to a student (of magic) and a child in general. Also Mrs. Tremond's grandson (maybe like the bellboy of a hotel) snips with his fingers and the lodge becomes the Red Room in FWWM. Pure Fxxxing Magic! (who else may be considered "a magician"?) I don't think it contradicts the mask theory (Leland is the mask behind which Bob is hiding). The beauty is both theories have their merits (one presentation - multiple interpretations. That's darn fine art!). Where I'd be sceptical and would agree that one interpretes too much into something, is if we take hints from the prequel movie FWWM and counter-check them with the series (and vice versa). Given the amount of inconsistencies between the series and the movie (show me one prequel, where the producers didn't screw up) I think that normally that theories have to match the context in which they are delivered (i.e. theories derived from the movie have to abe able to stand within the context of the movie. Same applies for the TV series). Here, however, is what I consider the exception from the rule: The poem ends with "Fire Walk With Me", after all the title of the movie, where I think the producers of the movie did some thorough examination of the TV series poem and its references, where quite naturally Mrs. Tremond's grandson offered to be the interpretation of "the magician. I am, too, longing to see. I'd never made a sarcastic remark about an idea or interpretation proposal here. No matter how far-fetched, any idea can have its merits or lead to some new interpretations. I've had enough of message boards / forums where some arrogant, old farts with the delusion they know everything where pounding and discouraging newbies. In my humble opinion, that's not the existence justification for a message board. It's to encourage unorthodox ideas, not to discourage these. And, I should add, I have seen some pretty darn amazing and intelligent interpretations here, given the short time I'm participating.
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| 15. Friday, June 29, 2007 4:53 AM |
| LODGE4 |
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Allow me to dispel this myth ONE more time: Jonathan LePelle is of NO familial relation to David Lynch. I asked him... You didn't ask the right person (and it's no myth) - Mrs. Tremond's grandson is played by Austin Jack Lynch. Check your season 2 dvd box set.
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| 16. Friday, June 29, 2007 6:06 AM |
| T41PAN |
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First of all morpheus, my appologies. You make a very good point with regards to arrogant posts. I just feel that this particular character, the grandson, is The Magician nothing more, nothing less. Put in another form, the Lodge Magician who longs to see/ learn. I like your theory, especially with reference to the bell boy (the cut scenes from FWWM included Jeffries and a bell boy in a Buesnos Aires hotel if I remember correctly) Cut down the poem holds alot of clues, different depending on ones interpretation. Through the darkness of future past. Now its speculated that time in the lodges is in reverse (the 25years later bit, the backwards talking etc). Through the darkness (nightime activity, all killings happen at night?) of future past (future in Twin Peaks is the Past in the lodge?) This would suggest that all the dreams/ visions etc that Cooper has are from experience. We know he is in the Lodge in the future, if time runs in reverse in the lodges terms he would have been in the Lodge in the past. The Magician longs to see. The grandson wants to learn. One chants out between two worlds. I interpret it as 'chants' as opposed to chance. The definition of 'chant': a. A short, simple series of syllables or words that are sung on or intoned to the same note or a limited range of notes.b. A canticle or prayer sung or intoned in this manner.c. A song or melody. Theres always music in the air? The two worlds being IMO Twin Peaks and the Lodges. The real world going forwards and the Lodges maybe going backwards. Fire walk with me. This is the chant in my opinion. This is the part on the poem that I have no idea of its meaning. The walk with me would suggest followers, walk with me, join me, follow me etc. Now where fire comes into I dont know. Maybe Fire is the Black Lodge. I appreciate these are just my ramblings, hard to explain in type but Ive done my best. Like I say, just my thoughts.
Maybe she'll grow wings and join the circus.
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| 17. Friday, June 29, 2007 11:02 AM |
| one suave folk |
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| QUOTE: Allow me to dispel this myth ONE more time: Jonathan LePelle is of NO familial relation to David Lynch. I asked him... You didn't ask the right person (and it's no myth) - Mrs. Tremond's grandson is played by Austin Jack Lynch. Check your season 2 dvd box set. | Austin in series, Jonathan in FWWM. Check yourself!! Yes, before you wreck yourself!!!
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| 18. Friday, June 29, 2007 12:01 PM |
| LODGE4 |
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Nobody ever said Jonathan LePelle is related to David Lynch - check yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 19. Friday, June 29, 2007 1:57 PM |
| one suave folk |
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| QUOTE:Nobody ever said Jonathan LePelle is related to David Lynch - check yourself!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
Yes, in post # 6, it's said that he's played by David's nephew. This is a widespread fallacy.
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| 20. Friday, June 29, 2007 2:21 PM |
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And here I thought that the Leppell company that Henry in Eraserhead worked for was named after a brother/sister in law.
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| 21. Friday, June 29, 2007 3:27 PM |
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morpheus said : Mrs. Tremond tells Donna, that her grandson studies magic. Somebody "longing to see" can also refer to somebody who is still learning: That equally applies to a student (of magic) and a child in general. Also Mrs. Tremond's grandson (maybe like the bellboy of a hotel) snips with his fingers and the lodge becomes the Red Room in FWWM. Pure Fxxxing Magic! (who else may be considered "a magician"?) In season 2, episode 16 when Cooper gathers all the suspects at the Roadhouse, they clear a space in the center of the room. Cooper says he has used FBI mathods, instinct, Tebetan mathods etc in the case of Laura Palmer however with Maddy's murder he needs to try something else. He says something along the lines of 'for the sake of argument lets call it magic' There a magician, right there (points ala Philip Jeffries) 
Maybe she'll grow wings and join the circus.
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| 22. Sunday, July 1, 2007 1:54 PM |
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I thought it may have been a reference to Leland as a young boy...you never know with David Lynch tho
"Ive got good news....that gum you like is going to come back in style!" "I'm a WHOLE DAMN TOWN!"
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| 23. Tuesday, July 24, 2007 12:14 PM |
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Pure Fxxxing Magic! (who else may be considered "a magician"?) Actually, they all are!!! The Black Lodge MAGICIANS were once humans, part of a religious sect from Tibet known as the Dugpas (you can google it). Windom mentions that they were Dugpas. I tell you they have not died - They found a way to another dimension. MIKE, BOB, THE ARM, THE GIANT - MAGICIANS ALL!!!!!!!!!!!
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| 24. Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:34 PM |
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such a good thread.
"how's Annie?! HOW'S ANNIE?!?!"
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| 25. Thursday, December 24, 2009 8:34 PM |
| thru the darkness |
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| QUOTE: Pure Fxxxing Magic! (who else may be considered "a magician"?) Actually, they all are!!! The Black Lodge MAGICIANS were once humans, part of a religious sect from Tibet known as the Dugpas (you can google it). Windom mentions that they were Dugpas. I tell you they have not died - They found a way to another dimension. MIKE, BOB, THE ARM, THE GIANT - MAGICIANS ALL!!!!!!!!!!! |
touche! thank you for pointing this out
"how's Annie?! HOW'S ANNIE?!?!"
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