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| 1. Friday, April 6, 2007 12:29 AM |
| cyrus |
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What is the deal with the ring in FWWM?
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| 2. Friday, April 6, 2007 12:46 AM |
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The ring belongs to LMFAP and Mike (---"with this ring,I thee wed"--- ) and those who take it,get killed by BOB,but then the garmonbozia (all the pain and sorrow) belongs only to Mike and LMFAP(---"BOB,I want all my garmonbozia"--- ).There's also the sign of the owl on it,the same as the one in the owl cave,in the series.
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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| 3. Friday, April 6, 2007 3:50 AM |
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okay. But how did it go from teresa banks to, I think it was, ronette polanski?
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| 4. Friday, April 6, 2007 4:01 AM |
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It didn't go from Teresa to Ronette.When Mike went to the traincar and started to shout "Let me in,let me in" Ronette heard him and opened the door,and then Mike threw the ring into the traincar,and Laura took it,cause she knew(from her dream)that if she took the ring she would die,and she chose death,instead of being possessed by BOB.
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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| 5. Friday, April 6, 2007 4:24 AM |
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Remember Chet Desmond had it too after Teresa died...
"watch out for my cousin.." 
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| 6. Friday, April 6, 2007 4:27 AM |
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Yeah,he found it under Teresa's trailer and disappeared.I believe he was taken to the lodge(just like Jefferies) and then Mike got the ring back.
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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| 7. Saturday, April 7, 2007 3:10 AM |
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ah, I see now. Thanks...
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| 8. Saturday, April 7, 2007 7:30 AM |
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Ivalinda, I liked your explanation very much. I remember there used to be some controversies about the Ring's meaning, don't remember exactly but definitely the way you put it is 100% OK with me. QUOTE:I think it was, ronette polanski |
No, his name is Roman Polanski :-)
Bobi 1 Kenobi B. Beware O. Of B. BOB
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| 9. Sunday, April 8, 2007 3:54 AM |
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I think the Tremonds were the ones who gave Teresa the ring. They lived temporarily next to her and some things indicate that they are associated with Mike, if only because he acts against BOB (they despise creamed corn, gave Laura the picture that made possible her knowledge of the ring,...). Now, after Teresa's death, how did the ring manage to go from her possession to being placed under the Tremonds trailer? The mount of dirt was BOB's M.O. so did he remove it from Teresa's finger and put it there? Was Teresa killed in the Tremonds/Chalfonts trailer?
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| 10. Sunday, April 8, 2007 5:54 AM |
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It looks like Teresa was killed in her own trailer, doesn't it? I always took that for granted.
It's an interesting question, Gordon. The dirt IS BOB's M.O., so why is it under the Tremonds' trailer? A related question, who wrote Let's Rock on the windshield? The Tremonds/Chalfonts because they knew that Cooper was coming and they wanted him to make a connection between his "dream" (one year into the future) about Laura and Teresa's murder? But that was pretty obvious already because of the fingernail letters and the general M.O., wasn't it?
I'm confused.
"What credit card do you want to put that on?" "Caash, prease."
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| 11. Tuesday, April 10, 2007 10:27 AM |
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Why is the dirt pile Bob's M.O.? Why can't it be the Tremond's? Let's Rock = Red Herring; IMHO - it was probably written with a Red Herring too!
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| 12. Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:00 PM |
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I've said this before and I dont think anyone ever agreed with me. Oh well, I'll say it again. I have a hard time believing that lodge spirits would do anything so course as to write the cryptic LETS ROCK message on Desmond's car. I mean, the letters under the nails are one thing because it marks the victims as BOB's... but the windshield scrawl just seems beneath them somehow. So what I choose to believe instead is that the words were just some random neighborhood vandalism done on a derelict car unfamiliar to kids in the area. They probably graffitied it just to be funny. Cooper saw this message and remembered it... and LMFAP used the phrase in the dream from ep 2 as an acknowledgment that the murders were related and maybe even hinting at the idea that he had special knowledge of events surrounding both the Banks and Palmer murders. Or something. I think this is easier to believe than the idea that old granny Tremond climbed her wrinkled ass up on the hood and painted LETS ROCK with a stick of Clairol. :)
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| 13. Tuesday, April 10, 2007 12:06 PM |
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| QUOTE: Or something. I think this is easier to believe than the idea that old granny Tremond climbed her wrinkled ass up on the hood and painted LETS ROCK with a stick of Clairol. :) |
...and I agree with you on the "Let's rock" thing,geoff !Totally makes sense to me! :)
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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| 14. Tuesday, April 10, 2007 5:20 PM |
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Geoffrey, that makes a lot of sense, and I can only say that I wish I'd thought of that myself! I always saw it as something of particular significance since it was said in the Red Room, but it's probably - as you say - just a reference to an earlier event in Cooper's life so that he can make the connection. A hint, like the gum turned out to be.
"What credit card do you want to put that on?" "Caash, prease."
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| 15. Monday, April 23, 2007 7:42 AM |
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Hmm, I'm confused about the ring. How does Laura put it on in the train car while she's tied up? So, the Tremond's are working against Bob? They gave the ring to Laura so that she could die - which is what Laura wanted anyway. Bob is pissed off when Laura dies because now he can't possess her. Is that all correct? The painting was given to her as a sort of preparation for Laura to put the ring on.
The mound of dirt was below Tremond's trailer? How do we know this was Tremond's trailer? The mound of dirt occurs twice. Could it have been placed there by Tremond?
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| 16. Monday, April 23, 2007 8:42 AM |
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| QUOTE: Hmm, I'm confused about the ring. How does Laura put it on in the train car while she's tied up? So, the Tremond's are working against Bob? They gave the ring to Laura so that she could die - which is what Laura wanted anyway. Bob is pissed off when Laura dies because now he can't possess her. Is that all correct? The painting was given to her as a sort of preparation for Laura to put the ring on.
The mound of dirt was below Tremond's trailer? How do we know this was Tremond's trailer? The mound of dirt occurs twice. Could it have been placed there by Tremond?
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I can try to answer some of these. Lura's hands become untied somehow, I'm guessing it was done as partt of the ritual or maybe just a movie flaw. It does seem the Tremonds are on the good side and yes that seems correct to me about Laura. The mound of dirt was under the Chalfont's trailer . i don't know if the movie makes an obvious connection between Chalfont and Tremond but in the credits the old lady is credited as Mrs. Tremond/Chalfont. And sure the dirt could have been placed under there by them, the pile of dirt seems to be big discussion.
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| 17. Monday, April 23, 2007 8:46 AM |
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| QUOTE:... It does seem the Tremonds are on the good side and yes that seems correct to me about Laura.... |
Just because they are against Bob doesn't necessarily mean they are for Laura or that they are good. They could just be acting in their own interests.
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| 18. Monday, April 23, 2007 10:13 AM |
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I'm pretty inclined to agree with robo here... I see nothing in the movie or the series that suggests that any of the lodge entities are acting on anything but their own interests. even when the giant is "helping" cooper... it's still so he can stop BOB, which is what he wants. Also, was Teresa killed in her own trailer? It doesnt seem clear from what we see of the TV and the limited kitchen shots we get in Leland's flashback. Maybe she was killed in the Chalfont's trailer, and that was why the mound of dirt was underneath it.
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| 19. Monday, April 23, 2007 10:26 AM |
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I don't know, maybe it was intended that the killing be in a trailer but those are pretty small things to be swinging large objects in. Isn't that we see in the murder scene? There too much space in that murder scene but maybe it was intended to be the trailer anyway.
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| 20. Monday, April 23, 2007 10:59 AM |
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QUOTE:| QUOTE:... It does seem the Tremonds are on the good side and yes that seems correct to me about Laura.... |
Just because they are against Bob doesn't necessarily mean they are for Laura or that they are good. They could just be acting in their own interests.
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They help Donna out. They give Laura the picture. Nowhere did I say they were affiliated with Mike. But it does show they are not evil, which is my point. Mrs. Tremond does not want to eat the cream corn (garmonbozia). This could be because she feels she doesn't deserve to be eating it. BOB likes to steal cream corn and eat the Garmonbozia for himself. So you could see her grandson making it disappear a way of hiding it from BOB.
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| 21. Monday, April 23, 2007 11:00 AM |
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the interior of Teresa's trailer doesnt look like the one where she is killed. the murder scene has a yellowish color to the walls. 

Teresa's trailer, however, has dark colored wood panneling on the walls. And the light fixtures are TOTALLY wrong! :) 
In any case, trailers are usually bigger than they look, and I'm sure you could swing a bat in Teresa's.
The Chalfont's trailer is a little small. In fact, it looks more like a camper to me... but I guess you could bludgeon someone to death in a broom closet if you were really intent upon doing it. 
But when Desmond looks at it at night, it seems like the interior is a similar color of yellowish. So maybe... 
The curtains above don't match the green ones from the first pic. In fact, I dont think we ever see green curtains like that anywhere else. maybe im wrong.
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| 22. Monday, April 23, 2007 11:04 AM |
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The yellowish tint of the walls looks that way becuse of the light outside, same with the curtains having a green hade. You can see light from the outside. And the lighting fixtureds are from 2 different angles, one from beneath and one from the side where you cant see the details. The biggest thing though is the pattern on the curtains don't match up. I always thought Leland killed her in the motel they often visited.
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| 23. Monday, April 23, 2007 11:10 AM |
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Something to consider that is contrary to ivalinda's logic abotu hte ring, is that maybe Teresa just owned the ring. Think about it, in both Laura's case and Teresa's, jewelry they owned was places on a mound of dirt during the killing process. That's where they found the half-heart necklace... on a mound of dirt. same with the ring. And then there is that clip of the mound of dirt surrounded by 12 candles. All related to the killing/possession/ transportation to the red room.
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| 24. Monday, April 23, 2007 11:37 AM |
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QUOTE:Something to consider that is contrary to ivalinda's logic abotu hte ring, is that maybe Teresa just owned the ring. Think about it, in both Laura's case and Teresa's, jewelry they owned was places on a mound of dirt during the killing process. That's where they found the half-heart necklace... on a mound of dirt. same with the ring. And then there is that clip of the mound of dirt surrounded by 12 candles. All related to the killing/possession/ transportation to the red room.
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That sounds interesting - except that the ring is special (the symbol is in the bat cave) so while Teresa did own it there is some significance to it other than mere ownership. Where does that clip with the candles occur?
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| 25. Monday, April 23, 2007 1:59 PM |
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| QUOTE: Where does that clip with the candles occur?
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I think it only occurs in the extended dream sequence in the European 'film' version of the pilot.
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