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1. Friday, March 24, 2006 5:32 AM
Possessed by BOB Teresa's left arm


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I've just watched FWWM again and I have some questions about it:

I wonder why Teresa's left arm "went completely dead" ?Is this connected with her death,because she was wearing the ring some time before she was killed?

Who is the man with the beard,in the meeting scene with BOB and LMFAP,and what does Philip Jefferies have to do with all this?

Are Tremond/Chalfont spirits,too?And are they against BOB,we see them in the meeting,too? They let Laura know about the ring and the lodge,and helped Donna,too(in the series)But why do they have two names(Tremond and Chalfont)Carl Rodd told Cooper that there were two Chalfont families,and in the series there were two Tremonds

And one more question,who gave "Look into the meals on wheels" message to Donna?Was it Margaret? 

I'll be happy if I find the answers to these questions,because I am really very confused about all this



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2. Friday, March 24, 2006 6:53 AM
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The man with the beard is the Woodsman, probably some kind of representation of an element, wood, important for all things Lodge, like the electricity (we have an Electrician) or fire... Actually, there are 2 Woodsmen. Weird, uh?

I think it was Harold himself who sent the note to Donna...

I think the Tremonds are against BOB, because they are associated with Mike/LMFAP and he is clearly against BOB. Their presence in Fat Trout's as well as the LMFAP's one, the fact that they 'guided' Laura to the ring, which is Mike's... Mrs. Tremond also rejects the creamed corn...

 
3. Friday, March 24, 2006 7:03 AM
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Yes,Mrs Tremond rejects the creamed corn,but don't they all eat this corn(garmonbozia)isn't this their food?Mike/LMFAP and BOB had a fight for this corn...



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4. Friday, March 24, 2006 7:17 AM
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Yeah, After seen FWWM again after many many years, I realised two really important things.

#1- It is really hard to remember all of the great details in this story when the first time viewing it was spent mostly intoxicated.....

#2- the Garmanbozia does seriously resemble creamed corn. I wonder if that was a dish that Lynch was forced to eat a lot as a kid or something?....

Other revalations include:

LMFAP is, somehow, Mikes former arm...the left one.....that was touched by evil....a tattoo in the left shoulder....In the one of the last lodge scenes, LMFAP faces Mike, puts his hand on his shoulder and they speak in unison. "Bob, I want all of my Garmanbozia (pain and suffering).

Also, LMFAP, earlier in the movie, tells Cooper in a dream that "I am the arm"

Regarding more arm incedents, we had a thread a week or two ago about the twitching left arms in the last few episodes of the series. Cooper, Pete, strange lady at the diner, and BOB emerging from the lodge all had twitching left arms.

IN FWWM, when laura awakens into her dream about the ring, she is sort of pulling / holding her left arm as she sits up in bed, as if she cannot control it. Ever have your whole arm fall asleep completely when you're sleeping?

My confusion with FWWM is, what the hell happens to Agent Chet Desmond, and what the hell happens with David Bowie's Character appearing and disappearing in a wrinkle in time or something?

Lynch always does stuff like this. Its like if your friend is like " OHHHHH!!!!! I gotta tell you something. Oh nevermind" and then just doesn't tell you.....like...you know what I , Like, mean?

Do I get some kind of red or yellow card for overusing the word "Like" to often...?


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5. Friday, March 24, 2006 7:32 AM
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Thank you for the answers,guys:)

Just to add  something-it was not the left arms,that were twitching,it was the right arms ;) 

I think that BOB transfers the pain and sorrow,and the blood of his victims into this corn(which they call garmonbozia)When they found the corpse of Laura Palmer,doctor Haward and Albert said that they just can't find out the cause of her death,and the strangest thing is that there was no blood,no wounds...weird...



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6. Friday, March 24, 2006 7:46 AM
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Yes,I agree with you,Possessed by BOB!

I think that BOB really transfers the blood and the pain into corn/garmonbozia,this was proved in the scene when Leland was in the Black Lodge,hanging and BOB took his wound and spilt the blood on the floor,and after that we see LMFAP eating this creamed corn,I think this was Laura's pain and sorrow,which belonged to Mike/LMFAP,because she put the ring on her finger in the traincar.

And about this thing with Teresa,I think that her left arm was dead because she was wearing the ring,too,before she was killed.I agree with IIHA,that it happened the same with Laura's left arm,when she was holding the ring.All this was caused by this ring.


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7. Friday, March 24, 2006 11:06 AM
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The Tremonds/Chalfronts are easily the two most mysterious things in the show (well, not really). Here are my thoughts:

Mrs. Tremond is against BOB, and she tries to help all BOBs' victims. She is trying to get into the white lodge. In the scene where Donna comes in in ep. 9, I thought that Mrs. Tremond seemed scared, not only of the creamed corn, but maybe of her grandson. The grandson may be the "magician" and could be evil, but he goes with Mrs. Tremond anyway for reasons unknown. After they "help" BOBs' victims, they move on to the next, changing names. Somehow they find people with the same last name so that people will not notice their rapid moving. (I seriously doubt this, though)


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8. Friday, March 24, 2006 11:11 AM
ivalinda RE: Teresa's left arm


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Well,that's a great theory Briggs :) I've never thought of this ;)


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When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...

 
9. Friday, March 24, 2006 1:14 PM
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Somehow they find people with the same last name so that people will not notice their rapid moving. (I seriously doubt this, though)

I don't think that's the case. I don't think they are "somehow finding people with same names." I think they are just using the names of people who live or used to live at the same place. If they were in a house of Smiths and if it was shown in the series or movie, they would be called Tremonds/Chalfonts/Smiths. Because we don't know where thay've been before we don't have to know their other names. Now we know them only as the Tremonds and the Chalfonts.

 
10. Friday, March 24, 2006 6:38 PM
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Something to keep in mind: BOB stole the garmonbozia that was created from Teresa Banks' death. Hence Gerard confronting Leland Palmer at the intersection. So, Mike giving the ring to Laura and the subsequent transference of the garmonbozia after Laura's death was a payback for BOB's theivery. Mike is clearly against BOB was but how "good" is he. I think after Laura's death was when he started to be more "good" because when he goes after BOB he doesn't appear to have ulterior motives (as far as we know).

The numbness: Pretty much agree with the consesus view that it has to do with the Ring and/or power of the Lodges.

Agent Jeffries: Best thing to do with this is check the deleted scenes dealing with Jeffries in the shooting script available here on the Gazette to see how you want to form your theories. Who is Judy? This could be the key to solving this puzzle. Was Judy to Jeffries as Annie was to Cooper, someone he met while on a case, fell in love with who met some harm through the Lodges. Or could Judy be Jeffries' Laura Palmer. Jeffries' might not know Judy is dead. If he was trapped in the Lodge he might have seen Judy there and not known it was either her doppelganger or a vision of Judy as part of a Lodge experience (like the Caroline/Annie stuff Cooper had to deal with when he was in the Lodge. So, how did Jeffries' get out? When Desmond was taken into the Lodge , when he found the ring, perhaps Jeffries found a way out momentarily but was sucked back in. (These theories are formed by looking at the Buenos Aires scenes and having no relevance since they were not used in the final film). What Jeffries' reveals might be the most important part of his appearance. With his retelling of "one of their meetings" we are shown the "heirarchy" of the Lodge denizens. When he asks, "who do you think this is there?" he is addressing Cooper. Did he see Cooper's doppelganger? The Jumping Man=possessed Coop theory comes into play because if this holds true then Jeffries saw that BOB was going to possess someone else down the road if Laura didn't work out and he knows it is going to be Cooper.

Tremonds: I think they are working on behalf of the White Lodge. Either that or they are neutral, because we only see them in the meeting and in the "real world" but never in the Lodges (in dreams they appear to be outside the Lodge, but we never see them IN The Lodge. Plenty of examples have been mentioned to support this. They intervened in the lives of Teresa Banks, Laura Palmer and Donna Hayward (who could easity have been the next victim if episodes 14-16 haven't played out the way they did). That is all for now.               


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11. Thursday, March 30, 2006 1:36 AM
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I have a question about Teresa and the ring - Who actually gave that ring to Teresa?That was never shown in FWWM.Was it Gerard?If it was him,then how did Teresa get to know him and to put this ring.She was wearing it some time before she was killed.Didn't Leland/BOB notice that?He was her lover.

Any ideas?


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12. Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:13 AM
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QUOTE:

She was wearing it some time before she was killed.Didn't Leland/BOB notice that?He was her lover.

Any ideas?

Hey!  That's a good point!  Teresa WAS wearing the ring for some time before her death so why didn't Leland/Bob notice it?  And if Bob noticed it why didn't he, I don't know, DO something about it earlier?  I have to see that scene again with Leland and Teresa in bed and watch for that ring.

 
13. Thursday, March 30, 2006 2:53 AM
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And actually how did Leland meet Teresa?Was it through that advertisement in the magazine?We see the scene when Leland looks at that ad and says "You look like my Laura".Was it BOB who "made him go "  to Teresa,or was it just Leland,who wanted this?


Beware of BOB

BOBBOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...

 
14. Friday, April 27, 2007 7:20 AM
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I disagree that the ring was wholly responsible for her arm's numbness. Like everything else in Twin Peaks there are two sides to nearly everything. From the supernatural side of things, yes, the ring was the cause - but there was also a real-world explanation for her arm's state.

 
15. Monday, April 30, 2007 4:20 AM
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QUOTE: Cooper, Pete, strange lady at the diner, and BOB emerging from the lodge all had twitching left arms.


This is a common mistake when discussing this topic: all the people you mention have twitching RIGHT hands. And, when BOB emerges from the Sycamores shortly afterwards, the first thing we see is his twitching right hand, coming into the spotlight.

This discrepancy could mean a few different things - my personal interpretation is that Irene is simply an unreliable narrator - she made a mistake and said Theresa's left arm went numb, when it was actually her right arm.

 

QUOTE:We see the scene when Leland looks at that ad and says "You look like my Laura".

Another interesting thing about this: that is presumably the thing which made Theresa realise who Leland was. We know that he was very anxious that she knew as little about him as possible ("who am I?") - but he revealed Laura's name at that moment, so when he later "chickened out" of the foursome - Theresa put two and two together and considered blackmailing Leland.


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16. Monday, April 30, 2007 11:14 AM
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Leland's talking to himself and/or the picture of Teresa in Fleshworld when he says "You look just like my Laura." Teresa doesn't ask JR about Laura and Ronette's fathers until after Leland chickens out of the 'party' at the hotel. She catches him looking shaken as he watches Laura and Ronette. I think that's what makes her suspicious.

 


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17. Tuesday, May 1, 2007 2:05 AM
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Leland's talking to himself and/or the picture of Teresa in Fleshworld when he says "You look just like my Laura."


I don't think so - I can see why you'd think that because of the way it's filmed, but I think it's something he actually said to Theresa.....there's no way to tell for sure, either way - but since the main recurrent image in FWWM is Leland spending time with Theresa, it's always seemed pretty obvious to me that he said the words to her directly. Why would he say "you", if he wasn't? It's too much of a stretch to say that he's talking to himself, IMO.


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18. Tuesday, May 1, 2007 3:11 AM
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QUOTE:
QUOTE:

Leland's talking to himself and/or the picture of Teresa in Fleshworld when he says "You look just like my Laura."


I don't think so - I can see why you'd think that because of the way it's filmed, but I think it's something he actually said to Theresa.....there's no way to tell for sure, either way - but since the main recurrent image in FWWM is Leland spending time with Theresa, it's always seemed pretty obvious to me that he said the words to her directly. Why would he say "you", if he wasn't? It's too much of a stretch to say that he's talking to himself, IMO.

It doesn't have to be Leland talking to Teresa or even to himself. The history of movies is filled with scenes where peoples thoughts are shown to viewers by the voice of the thinker. It could be Leland watching the magazine and thinking that "you look just like my Laura."


 
19. Thursday, May 3, 2007 2:31 PM
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The series is all about doubling or multiplying selves.  Characters have either divided internal selves or external ones reflected in other characters.  I noticed the collective arm twitching in the last few episodes also.  It's involuntary and inexplicable, which parallels the loss of control and disconnect that Leland especially seems to experience at its worst.  The right arm literally doesn't know what the left one is doing.


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