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| 1. Monday, September 19, 2011 9:58 PM |
| EccentricHappiness |
Josie's motivations. |
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Hey guys! :) This has been a question of mine since it was revealed that Josie was the shooter. What do you think her motivations for shooting Cooper were? Do you think it was because Cooper was an FBI agent and she didn't want elements of her past to be known to others? Or for another reason? It is never really explained and I was wondering what you guys think.
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| 2. Saturday, September 17, 2011 8:38 PM |
| Seatotem |
RE: Josie motivations. |
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Josie shot Cooper to keep him from uncovering her past and involvment with Andrew Packards murder. She had a lot to lose.
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| 3. Monday, September 19, 2011 10:01 PM |
| EccentricHappiness |
RE: Josie motivations. |
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Thanks! :) Also why do you think she was involved with Harry? Do you think she geniunely cared for him, or it was her trying attain some kind of normal relationship with a man? Or was she just using him for her own benefit?
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| 4. Monday, September 19, 2011 10:06 PM |
| EccentricHappiness |
RE: Josie motivations. |
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I've always had mixed feelings about her character. I think she geniunely cared for Harry, but she had way too much baggage to and underlying issues to do the right thing. She would take the easy way out in a lot of situations.
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| 5. Wednesday, September 21, 2011 8:55 PM |
| Seatotem |
RE: Josie motivations. |
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You nailed it, Josie loved Truman. He was the one constant in her life. She also needed Packards money to stay away from Eckhart. but she was a Traiwreck and when Cooper,Eckhart, and Andrew Packard showed up the train went off the tracks.......................and then throw in Hank and Jonathan!
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| 6. Wednesday, September 21, 2011 10:43 PM |
| EccentricHappiness |
RE: Josie motivations. |
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Haha! Yeah you're totally right. It all caught up with her in the end, manipulating too many people. I think she is a very interesting character and I liked how most of the time you didn't know whether to respect her for the vulnerabilty and sort of 'femme fatale' aspects of her character or hate her for it.
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| 7. Thursday, September 22, 2011 5:20 AM |
| anne_drexler |
RE: Josie motivations. |
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| QUOTE:Josie shot Cooper to keep him from uncovering her past and involvment with Andrew Packards murder. She had a lot to lose. |
Honestly, it was a really stupid decision. I mean, logically shooting of FBI agent would attract attention of the Berau and lead to even more thorough investigation of the town citizens?
Probably, Josie couldn't think clearly at that point. I also have a feeling that initially Lynch and Frost didn't know themselves who shot Cooper and came with Josie's involvment later.
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| 8. Thursday, September 22, 2011 6:21 PM |
| BOB1 |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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I definitely share this feeling! Of course Josie's motivation must have been "because you came", because you would find out, because she had a lot to lose. But yeah... that doesn't make that much sense, does it? I think that while the revealing of Josie as the assailant brought a couple of good scenes (the tension between Harry and Coop&Albert, Cooper's difficult choices of friendship vs. duties, the way in which Harry gradually loses control over the situation and gets more and more frustrated - there's a lot of good stuff there), the idea itself was rather lame. I really don't think Lynch and Frost knew from the start who shot Cooper!
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| 9. Thursday, September 22, 2011 8:32 PM |
| EccentricHappiness |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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I know the logical explanation would be because Cooper would find out too much about her, and her past, etc.. But I think it just seemed a little too obvious. And don't get me wrong it does make a lot of sense if you think about it from her position and how she was anxious about her past being known and her involvement in trying to kill Andrew. But yeah, she did do a lot of things implusively so it wouldn't be a shock that she didn't really think her actions through before deciding to shoot Cooper. But I totally agree with you guys, Lynch might have not even known who the shooter was at first. I think she was the type of character that would do something on impulse to get her own way and manipulate others but it was the only way she knew how to get through life.
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| 10. Friday, September 23, 2011 10:59 PM |
| Seatotem |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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Funny, The opening shot of Josie gazing in the mirror was so iconic and powerful that Lynch used it again in Mulholland Drive. I've always thought Lynch and Frost had her character Josie, slated to fall from the beginining. Just like the characters of Rita/Camilla and Bette/Diane.
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| 11. Saturday, September 24, 2011 6:17 AM |
| Audrey Horne |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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well, in both instances those were shots used in pilot episodes for an intended soap opera/serial. They don't fully know what is going to happen down the road -just an idea where a character might go. I believe at this time, Josie was an intended love interest for Cooper. Probably an idea of having good material for the three of the four leads (machlachlan, otkean, chen and laurie were the special credit leads). I tend to agree though. When writing the first season finale, the concern was probably more focused on giving a huge cliffhanger to ensure being picked up with little thought to who the culprit was.
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| 12. Wednesday, October 19, 2011 6:16 PM |
| Seatotem |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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| QUOTE: well, in both instances those were shots used in pilot episodes for an intended soap opera/serial. They don't fully know what is going to happen down the road -just an idea where a character might go. I believe at this time, Josie was an intended love interest for Cooper. Probably an idea of having good material for the three of the four leads (machlachlan, otkean, chen and laurie were the special credit leads). I tend to agree though. When writing the first season finale, the concern was probably more focused on giving a huge cliffhanger to ensure being picked up with little thought to who the culprit was. | Coop and Josie? Now that would have been very interesting! So, many places to take that story line. 
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| 13. Wednesday, October 19, 2011 9:54 PM |
| ajenny58 |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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She explains her motives right before she dies. Because he would have found her out. It was a foolish move, but she was never too bright anyway.
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| 14. Thursday, October 20, 2011 4:39 AM |
| CeCe |
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| QUOTE:She explains her motives right before she dies. Because he would have found her out. It was a foolish move, but she was never too bright anyway. |
LOL
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| 15. Friday, October 21, 2011 6:58 PM |
| Green Formica Table |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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OK got it and agree. One thing though, why did Josie put the trout into the percolator. Was she covering up some poisoning scheme or was it just another David Lynch red herring at least taste wise. I have spent 20 odd years wondering if she was slipping anti-freeze or cyanide or some equally-recognizable poison to make them more controllable. Or to create a revenge scenario for Eckhart as in Poison those coffee-swillers with their own "poison-of-choice" (pause for maniacal laughter) or if some even-yet-still-more-twisted plot twist was in the offing.
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| 16. Monday, October 24, 2011 11:47 PM |
| ajenny58 |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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Maybe she poisoned the coffee to try to kill Cooper, but when she realized Harry was coming over too she decided that Coop's death could wait because she loved (or at least liked) Harry enough to not kill him.
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| 17. Saturday, December 3, 2011 2:38 PM |
| christined |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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I don't think the coffee was intended to poison anyone...after all, Harry was drinking it....just put off questioning,buying time. I understand alot more about Josie now after seeing the series three times...i just think Chen wasn't a very good actress.
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| 18. Sunday, December 25, 2011 9:34 AM |
| BOB1 |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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imo 'the fish in the percolator' was never supposed to really make sense. it was supposed to be funny - and boy, it was! :-)
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| 19. Monday, December 26, 2011 11:11 AM |
| Seatotem |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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Didn't Catherine put the fish in the percolator? but I do not remember why.
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| 20. Monday, December 26, 2011 12:57 PM |
| BOB1 |
RE: Josie's motivations. |
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Who dunnit is classified!
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