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| 1. Monday, June 6, 2011 11:52 PM |
| davindragul |
Weird things in FWWM's script. |
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I was looking at FWWM's script here: http://www.horrorlair.com/scripts/twinpeaksfwwm.txt
In Jeffries' Lodge flashback, there's more talking, and by random characters that don't say/do much otherwise in the finished movie. I'll let you guys have a look, I'm stumped.
SIX PEOPLE in a large, barren, filthy room. Cheap plastic storm windows flap in the cold wind. In the foreground the Man From Another Place (Mike) and BOB sit at a formica table. Behind them on plastic torn chairs huddle MRS. TREMOND and her GRANDSON. TWO BIG WOODSMEN with full beards sit quietly. FIRST WOODSMAN (subtitled) We have descended from pure air. MAN FROM ANOTHER PLACE (subtitled) Going up and down. Intercourse between the two worlds. BOB (subtitled) Light of new discoveries. MRS. TREMOND (subtitled) Why not be composed of materials and combinations of atoms? MRS. TREMOND'S GRANDSON (subtitled) This is no accident. MAN FROM ANOTHER PLACE (subtitled) This is a formica table. Green is its color. He touches the table. FIRST WOODSMAN (subtitled) Our world. MAN FROM ANOTHER PLACE (subtitled) With chrome. Any everything will proceed cyclically. SECOND WOODSMAN (subtitled) Boneless. MIKE (subtitled) Yes, find the middle place. Bob begins to scream with anger. BOB (subtitled) I HAVE THE FURY OF MY OWN MOMENTUM. TREMOND'S GRANDSON (subtitled) Fell a victim. The Man From Another Place raises his hand. MAN FROM ANOTHER PLACE (subtitled) Fire Walk With Me... Bob claps his hand and a circle of fire appears in the room. BOB (subtitled) Fire Walk With Me. THROUGH THE CIRCLE We see the RED ROOM. ON THE SCENE Bob crawls into the Red Room and Mike starts to yell and leaps in after him.
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| 2. Monday, June 6, 2011 11:58 PM |
| BOB1 |
RE: Weird things in FWWM's script. |
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It is known to us here But it's a great read as it always was. Like many have pointed out, we can't really take it under consideration while interpreting the movie, still it is always inspiring and indeed surprising.
Bobi 1 Kenobi B. Beware O. Of B. BOB
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| 3. Tuesday, June 7, 2011 12:13 AM |
| davindragul |
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Also, at the end of the movie: GERARD/THE MAN FROM ANOTHER PLACE (subtitled) (in unison) Bob, you're not going home without me. I want all my garmonbozia. (corn) That line supports the assertion that they need to collect garmonbozia to get home to their cream corn planet, as bad as that sounds. But yeah BOB1, I'm sure I'm seen it before, but I'll disagree that it doesn't mean anything. The script reveals Lynch's intention, regardless of whether he ran with it or not. Even if you take it to mean nothing to do with the finished story, what on earth could they be talking about with all of their scientific mumbo-jumbo?
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| 4. Tuesday, June 7, 2011 9:40 AM |
| Booth |
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DE SHIT IT COME OUT OF MY ASS!
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| 5. Tuesday, June 7, 2011 5:03 PM |
| vico19 |
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I'm not so sure about a "creamed corn planet" lol, but i do believe the black lodge inhabitants from twin peaks didn't originate from the lodge. I think at some place and some point in time they all found the lodge and somehow tapped into its power. Now whether they were originally human to begin with or from another planet or dimension or whatever, who knows.
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| 6. Tuesday, June 7, 2011 7:24 PM |
| Gordon |
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| QUOTE: Like many have pointed out, we can't really take it under consideration while interpreting the movie, still it is always inspiring and indeed surprising.
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Personally I do... If something in the scripts, no matter how strange it is, doesn't contradict what's seen onscreen then to me is valid...
For example, watching the film we don't know where Jeffries was before leaving the elevator, but the script tells us he was in Buenos Aires moments before... Weird, but to me Jeffries WAS in Buenos Aires...
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| 7. Wednesday, June 8, 2011 1:59 PM |
| BOB1 |
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Perhaps, but isn't this piece of information totally irrelevant?
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| 8. Thursday, June 9, 2011 4:51 AM |
| Gordon |
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Precisely why I take it as valid... Those are quite obscure and strange lines that don't necessarily contradict what we know from the film... Subtle hints about the creamed corn planet thing? Perhaps, but not clear references... If BOB had said: "We just folded space from our planet... Many garmonbozia in our planet, new garmonbozia" or something like that then we'd have a huge contradiction between the script (where BOB and co. come from a planet) and the filmed stuff (where the planet is never mentioned, yet where BOB comes from is suggested) and we'd have to discard the script lines... Another example of what I'm saying: was Judy Josie's sister? Well, that was mentioned by someone (Engels?) as something they wanted to do, but didn't... Judy is not said to be Josie's sister both in the script and film, so she isn't... If the script had mentioned it then to me she would be Josie's sister, why not? Now, something the writers thought, but never wrote, is valid if it doesn't contradict script and film? Ah, big YES? Big NO? I have no idea... BOB1?? For the record, what I'm saying (the validity of the scripts) is not something I think everyone should consider and agree with me... Discarding completely scripts, intentions, etc. when posting theories doesn't give the poster less credibility to me...
On the other hand, discarding what is seen onscreen (like those who consider BOB not real do in my opinion) is another story...
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| 9. Sunday, June 12, 2011 2:55 PM |
| BOB1 |
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but isn't it what you do, too? contradicting what is onscreen? for example when you disagree that Annie will become Cooper's wife and he will kill her?
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| 10. Sunday, June 12, 2011 10:24 PM |
| Gordon |
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Excellent memory...  Annie marries Coop only in your imagination, my very young padawan... Either that, or there is a rare polish edition of the Gold Box with that added wedding scene and alternative versions of the Evelyn scenes rewritten and directed by Lynch himself which are far better than the usual ones... Oh, and a hidden easter egg with Lynch saying: "I must confess I hate MULHOLLAND DR., those who hate MULHOLLAND DR. are cool and groovy".
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| 11. Saturday, June 18, 2011 4:31 AM |
| BOB1 |
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Yes, it's a common trick: trying to turn all into a joke in order to prevent others from seeing the obvious facts
Annie says: I saw the face of the man who killed me, it was my husband. Gordon says: we're not gonna talk about Annie, in fact we're going to keep her out of this. It was Caroline, period.
Me says: but have you not heard of such a thing as intertextual reference? Caroline's and Annie's appearances in the Lodge are interwoven because there are common things about them: they are both loved by Cooper, they both stand between Cooper and Windom in a way, last but not least - the scene tells us - they share the same tragic fate: being killed by their lunatic husband. Gordon says: oh well that must be a special Polish edition where of course you've seen the Lynch-directed Evelyn scenes is why you like them. on the side: BOB1 is a fan of Attack of the Clones, ya know... Ain't that cheep, my friend? 
Bobi 1 Kenobi B. Beware O. Of B. BOB
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| 12. Saturday, June 18, 2011 5:59 AM |
| GarlandBozia |
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I always saw it as Caroline first saying the line about her husband killing her and then Annie saying the line "You must be mistaken, I'm alive". Cooper saw them in the reverse order as Windom Earle was playing tricks on him to create fear in his mind. I think he (Earle) is also taking the shape of the screaming Laura since you can briefly see his face when she is up close. I don't remember Gordon saying that line about Annie. When was that? I remember Philip Jeffries saying something like "We're not gonna talk about Judy, in fact we're not gonna talk about Judy at all, we're gonna leave her out of it" (not sure about the exact wording).
Th vwls r nt wht th sm
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| 13. Saturday, June 18, 2011 7:41 AM |
| Gordon |
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He's talking about me, not Lynch's Gordon... But BOB1, you say "the scene tells us - they share the same tragic fate: being killed by their lunatic husband", and that's my main problem with your theory, the scene doesn't tell me that... The fact that Annie asks "Who's Annie?" tells us that's not 100 % Annie, so we can't take what she says as something that will happen to Annie, the real Annie... I completely agree that the Lodge is playing with Coop and that both women are sort of mixed, since they share the peculiarity of being the only women Coop has truly loved... The Lodge (or Earle) puts in Annie's mouth Caroline's words ("I've seen the face...") to confuse Coop, but they're still Caroline's words... It's logical to think the husband who killed her is Earle and that the one killed was Caroline since we know that happened, but accepting the same exact thing is going to happen to Annie is farfetched... But you know my thoughts about this, buddy... ATTACK OF THE CLONES, huh? There is a rare spanish edition of that movie where it sucks balls... And you're a fan? Oh, what a wonderful world we live in... (takes carrot from pocket and gives it to BOB1).
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| 14. Saturday, June 18, 2011 7:50 AM |
| GarlandBozia |
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Ah, I see. I was already confused by two Coopers, two Lauras etc. Now there are also two Gordons ;-)
Th vwls r nt wht th sm
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