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1. Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:04 AM
BOB1 Llorando


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motto 1:
Oh Andy... Is this gonna happen every damn time?

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What happened? ... Bobby, did you cry?

And you? Has Twin Peaks ever made you cry?

For me there is one and only one scene which actually gets tears out of me. But yes, it happens about every damn time or at least every time I watch it seriously, fully involved.

And that's when Leland realises what he has done and starts all that "what have I done... I loved her... my angel forgive me..."

It breaks my heart. And how did they do it, is beyond me. Earlier in this very episode Ray Wise manages to make his character as repulsive as can be, he is truly hideous and I can't look at him without a strong feeling of repugnance. And yet, it is so brilliantly shown how BOB leaves him and what a wreck of a man he has become... it breaks me totally.

Artistically, it is of course Ray Wise's unbelievable acting - no no Jack Nicholson would NOT make it any better, no way! - but it is more than that. I have always admired the structure of that culmination scene, too. It starts with the water alarm going off and finishes with the water stopping. Sure, an easy trick, but it holds more meaning than just setting a frame for the scene. The water clears everything, reveals the truth about things and people. Look at them, soaking wet, they look so helpless as they are speechless (Harry, Hawk, Albert). They are no more tough guys chasing criminals, they are men who have faced the horror of human condition (excuse the pathos but that's how I fell it).

And then it's the music. Music! The two "verses" of Laura Palmer's Theme wonderfully match the two parts of the scene, first one going with Leland's confession, second with Cooper's speech and after both the "refrain" raises the emotions to their highest level. At least my emotions...

 

So did you cry along with Prinicpal Wolchezk?

Did any other scenes made you feel ?

Goodnight princess...


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2. Sunday, May 15, 2011 8:11 AM
hopesfall RE: Llorando


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I am right with you on that scene, it really gets me every single time.

Unconventionally i suppose, one that makes me well up a little but for entirely different reasons is when Major Briggs is revealing the details of the rather lucid dream he had the night before to Bobby. Just Bobby's emtional metamorphosis from not really being all that interested to being touched beyond words and really happy and hopeful. That scene is so well acted and written, it's really quite touching for me and makes me a little tearful i must admit!

 
3. Tuesday, May 17, 2011 10:08 PM
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Me too!

I actually quite forgot about this scene so thanks for mentioning! It's one of these magic moments of Episode 8... I never really  on it but you know that feeling down your throat... it was there many times!


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4. Wednesday, May 18, 2011 4:45 PM
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It obviously lacks any kind of subtlety and is more a moment of outright horror than sadness but the end of FWWM made me well up a little bit. The thing that was so upsetting about it wasn't Laura's death, but, as you pointed out BOB1, Leland's moment of clarity just before he murders Laura. When he cries, 'don't make me do this', wow... I'm not actually sure how I managed to rewatch FWWM knowing that that is where everything is building to.

I've never actually cried at any movie/TV-series but the two times I've been close have both been Lynch's work. The other was the ending of The Elephant Man, which needs no explanation really.

 
5. Saturday, May 21, 2011 2:14 PM
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You don't cry while watching films?

I do a lot. Remember the second time I went to see Dead Poets Society in the cinema, it was much more than crying, I completely broke down

What very very rarely makes me cry is music. Books more often. And films are the best for that stuff!


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6. Sunday, May 22, 2011 12:04 PM
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I'm a big music-listener, but I actually don't understand when people say they cry to a particular piece of music. I can admire the beauty of music but I can't imagine it affecting me emotionally to such an extent.

Films/TV are obviously far more emotionally involving but I can't ever lose the distancing effect between myself and what I know are actors. I know that most emotions represented should be universal so anything you see depicted on screen has its roots in reality but I don't know, I think I'm just not a cryer. I hope that it's that and not that I'm a sociopath incapable of empathy...

But what are you crying at when you watch, say, Leland's moment of repentance? Is it to do with the universality of fatherly love, of repentance after a dreadful crime? I mean, do you make the link to reality, or do you just forget reality and cry because you are so engrossed in what's happening onscreen?

 
7. Sunday, May 22, 2011 3:04 PM
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Link to reality - of course. But I don't think a general problem would be capable of raising the emotions to that extent.  General problems make you reflect rather than feel and even if emotions come along they take their time. And something that makes me cry while watching a movie (reading a book etc.) must take an immediate effect.

Watching for example the Leland death scene, I feel I am witness to a terrible human tragedy, not general but very particular. Bare and in the ultimate moment revealing itself in its whole sadness. I see not just a broken life, which used to break lives of others - I am witnessing the moment in which a man suddenly realises what he had done.

Now of course I do remember, even in all the emotions, that it is a made-up story. But it doesn't seem to matter. While characters and names may be fictious, the story in itself is a universal story. Universal and yet particular as well. So to say: a universal story represented by a particular fictious case.

Actually, doesn't art work like that in general?


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8. Wednesday, June 1, 2011 4:15 PM
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Oh yeah, Twin Peaks made me cry. Leland's death scene in episode 16 might be the best example. It totally broke my heart too. Like you said, BOB, Ray Wise's acting his brilliant and in that scene, we manage to forget the evil, possessed Leland Palmer and see only a broken, desperate father realizing he has committed the worst crime one could think of - killing your own child. We see the real Leland for the very first time.
 
The water alarm thing was a brilliant idea - water washing away all the lies, finally revealing the dreadful truth... The character's reactions are perfect too - for the first time, Albert seems totally lost for words ; you can see pure horror on Harry's and Hawk's face, and Coop himself seems pretty close to tears (right after Leland dies).
 
Major Briggs telling Bobby about his dream and Bobby crying is a very intense and beautiful moment indeed. Episode 8 had so many of them...


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9. Wednesday, June 1, 2011 11:17 PM
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Ray Wise's acting his brilliant and in that scene, we manage to forget the evil, possessed Leland Palmer and see only a broken, desperate father realizing he has committed the worst crime one could think of - killing your own child. We see the real Leland for the very first time.
 
The water alarm thing was a brilliant idea - water washing away all the lies, finally revealing the dreadful truth... The character's reactions are perfect too - for the first time, Albert seems totally lost for words ; you can see pure horror on Harry's and Hawk's face, and Coop himself seems pretty close to tears (right after Leland dies).

 

Altogether, and apart from the crying business, I think I can honestly say that this is the one favourite scene of mine in the whole Twin Peaks. And surprisingly, it's not Lynch...
 


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10. Friday, June 3, 2011 10:24 AM
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Twin Peaks doesn't make me cry....but David's Elephant Man still devastates me, when I'm brave enough to watch it! :-)

First watched it when I was about 12/13...I was a blubbering mess of pain (physical pain too), sorrow and anguish....nothing has come close to that effect, before or since.

 
11. Friday, June 10, 2011 12:48 AM
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Leland's death scene always makes me cry, too.  I really feel his pain and sadness.  This scene was one of the most powerful scenes in the series, if the not the most powerful... imo.  Those last few moments of his life, his confession... they were SO real.

My dad was an alcoholic... an abusive, scary alcoholic.  I almost feel as if BOB was his evil, drunken state.  Although my dad was far from BOB, and obviously not possessed, he was a very evil, violent man when intoxicated.  He was the scariest thing/person in the world to me.  He tried so hard to fight his addiction, but it seemed impossible.  Several times my mom had police take him away and admit him to a treatment facility.  He had his life together for several years, life seemed so great... but he relapsed... he decided to end his life.  I was 15 at the time.

Perhaps this is one reason why I feel so strongly about Twin Peaks (and The Shining)... my dad was also a fan of the show during its original run, as well.  I really loved my dad when he was sober.  He was a great man and my best friend... I wouldn't rather have any other dad in the world.  I miss him, the sober him.

Anyway, Leland felt like my own dad... the real him, underneath, was a sensitive, sweet man.  I'm very glad Leland got to go out the way he did.
 
In Episode 2, when Leland dances with the picture of Laura... some people find that scene humorous, but I find it heart-wrenching, especially when he cries onto the bloodied picture.
 
Of course, that scene of Major Briggs telling Bobby about his dream was also a very powerful, touching moment.

 
12. Sunday, June 12, 2011 2:51 PM
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In Episode 2, when Leland dances with the picture of Laura... some people find that scene humorous, but I find it heart-wrenching, especially when he cries onto the bloodied picture.

People find the strangest things humorous


You're right it's one of the most emotional scenes. It never actually made me cry but I get a sense of horror and a lump in my throat whenever I watch it.


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13. Friday, June 17, 2011 10:42 PM
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QUOTE:
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In Episode 2, when Leland dances with the picture of Laura... some people find that scene humorous, but I find it heart-wrenching, especially when he cries onto the bloodied picture.

People find the strangest things humorous


You're right it's one of the most emotional scenes. It never actually made me cry but I get a sense of horror and a lump in my throat whenever I watch it.


Well, I'm glad you agree.  That scene is another good example of how great of an actor Ray Wise is. 

 
14. Wednesday, June 29, 2011 10:21 AM
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... but has Twin Peaks ever made you laugh to tears

And I mean tears, not just rolling on the floor, laughing but actually CRYING

I don't think it has ever worked like that with me. There were lots of very funny moments but it looks like the emotional stuff has a bigger impact on me than the hilarious.


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15. Thursday, June 30, 2011 4:39 AM
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"Snacking on the local mushrooms" and many other Albert lines are probably what have brought me the closest, and for some reason Bobby's "quit spittin' man" comment to New Shoes Leo always makes me chuckle. I think it's just how he delivers it.

 
16. Thursday, June 30, 2011 2:39 PM
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oh yes, it wasn't me but I do remember my friend who literally laughed to tears when Leo started saying "new shoes"... he was my first twinpeaks-mate, we were 14 and at the end of primary school when Season One aired for the first time, we talked a lot, discussed all possible theories but and we laughed a lot together, too


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17. Tuesday, August 9, 2011 11:19 PM
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I don't ever recalling actually crying but while watching the pilot episode during the principal's announcement and Leland's breakdown at the Inn - coupled with "Laura's theme" building up to that high note I felt extremely emotional, in fact I had a Truman/Leland moment back in 2008 when I found out my friend died.



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18. Wednesday, August 10, 2011 5:16 PM
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I think I was more emotional while watching the movie, especially near the end when Laura is with James and she says, "Your Laura disappeared.. it's only me now" and then again when she screams "I love you James!" before running off into the woods. Also, every time Laura's suspicions about her father are reconfirmed and you see her face :'(. But during the series, I definitely felt overwhelming emotion seeing Cooper turn into BOB not knowing then if it was the good Cooper or evil doppelganger that had been possessed by BOB. 


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19. Friday, August 12, 2011 10:12 AM
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First time posting, hi all!  Nice to find some more TP fans.

While I didn't cry, I did find Leland's scene one of the most emotional in the series.  A pit in my stomach and a lump in my throat, for sure.  The line that hit me the hardest, and at the time I couldn't quite put my finger on why, is when Leland is talking about his neighbor (BOB's previous host), and Leland says "He opened me up."

I read a post somewhere that somebody mentioned the neighbor molesting Leland, which I didn't pick up on when watching, but whether accurate or not, I think it hit at what I found so emotionally compelling about the scene:  the idea that we (especially as children) are so vulnerable to evil, and that if a powerful enough evil touches in just the right way or at just the right time, it can climb inside of you and change you forever.  It makes me think about the horrible cycle of child abuse (physical, sexual, emotional etc.) and how many adult perpetrators were childhood victims.  Very sad, very true, very compelling.

 
20. Thursday, September 8, 2011 5:56 AM
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I watched the Pilot a couple of days ago, and while I didn't actually cry, I have to admit that I found the Principal's speech very moving indeed.

I mean, it is strange... I know exactly who died, why, what it means to whom, so to say: I should be perfectly used to the fact that Laura died and it is sad. And it is actually quite cliche, all that Proncipal Wólczek says there. And still -


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21. Tuesday, September 20, 2011 6:48 PM
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No, never cried but the scene of Ben Horne watching old movies chokes me up. It just hits too close to home. Friends and family gone, old film,slides and photos. Brings back memories.................

 
22. Tuesday, September 20, 2011 7:15 PM
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... but has Twin Peaks ever made you laugh to tears

And I mean tears, not just rolling on the floor, laughing but actually CRYING

I don't think it has ever worked like that with me. There were lots of very funny moments but it looks like the emotional stuff has a bigger impact on me than the hilarious.

Yes, When Andy found Leo's boots in the porch in front of Albert, Truman, and Cooper. Someone getting hurt should not be funny but it was hilarious. It was just a priceless a setup and the acting of all the actors inolved was wonderful. I had tears running down and couldn't stop laughing for quite awhile. the laughing just wouldn't stop.

Also, Jerry Horne and Albert had many hilaious moments and lines.
 

 
23. Saturday, December 31, 2011 3:35 AM
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Today has got to be one of the saddest scenes in all Twin Peaks


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