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1. Monday, September 6, 2010 3:19 PM
Intuition “Two symbols combined into a larger whole, but for what purpose?” - Cooper


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 Cooper's renditionEp25.  Drawing on a napkin while seated at the RR, Cooper illustrated a modified version of Briggs’ tattoo, and superimposed it on Log lady’s tattoo.  Cooper did not mention why he modified Brigg’s Tattoo to create the image, but the illustration largely matched the glyph from Owl Cave seen later in the episode.  Other than this significance, the meaning of the combined symbols was not again examined in the short-lived story.        

 

However, if we segment Coop’s modified version of Briggs’ tattoo into six equilateral triangles, and add it to the number of triangles from Brigg’s true tattoo, we have nine triangles to arrange the following:

Twin Peaks Tetractys

The Tetractys of Pythagoras, also known as the Mystic Tetrad.  


Further, by superimposing Log lady's Tattoo on the lower portion of the Tetractys, we find corresponding angularities, and congruency with the image drawn on the napkin.    

 

Twin Peaks Tetractys II


Your thoughts on this?  This could be a great misconception.  Please forgive my crudely drawn, inexact shapes - composed using basic software.

 

 
2. Sunday, September 12, 2010 3:34 AM
JFK RE: “Two symbols combined into a larger whole, but for what purpose?” - Cooper


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this is interesting. not much bearing on the show, but interesting still. i didnt understand back then(and was sort of disappointed with) why the briggs triangles were doubled and then repositioned by cooper(and by implication his gifted intuition)(granted i was barely a teenager). i can see now that its more or less a red herring to get cooper and gang to the owl cave via annie's rememberance of the symbol. i guess the only thing i have to add is i always thought that the log lady's markings looked like two mountains, or rather twin peaks.

 
3. Tuesday, September 14, 2010 8:15 PM
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QUOTE:this is interesting. not much bearing on the show, but interesting still.

 
Thanks for being the one to respond, JFK.  Responses are difficult to find around here lately.  If we are indeed to arrive at the Tetractys, then this is another example of the esoteric symbols and abstractions that you so correctly spoke of in the “Lynch the Mason” thread.

I agree that Log Lady’s tattoo represents mountains.  In one of her episode introductions, Log Lady states “’As above, so below. ‘The human being finds himself, or herself, in the middle.”  She quoted the Emerald Tablet of Hermes.  Cooper's sketch of the three Rhombi superimposed on the mountains may symbolize this concept - man as the middle rhombus, between the above and below rhombi.

 
4. Friday, November 5, 2010 12:56 PM
bluefrank RE: “Two symbols combined into a larger whole, but for what purpose?” - Cooper


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Re: The symbol and particularly Briggs.

 

sigil/symbol of Choronzon

 


Briggs' neck tattoo

Please note that the sigil/symbol of Chronozon is not the same as the commonly known 'radiation glyph'...where the triangles point in a different direction!

 


 

I have yet to see anyone reference the 3 triangle symbol on Briggs' neck as the symbol of the 'Demon of the Abyss'/'Dweller on the Threshold'...generally known as Choronzon.  Briggs' tattoo is identical to the symbol of Choronzon.  Choronzon is mentioned in the workings of Elizabethan John Dee & Kelley with repsect to Enochian magick.

We have Hawk, waxing lyrical about 'TDOTT' and meeting your shadow self (arguably Choronzon could be the shadow self) which bears many similarities to the Qabalistic apsects of 'crossing the abyss'...something that can be thought of as akin to a form of 'ego death'.

This is important due to the nature of the story at this point and the obvious allusion that Briggs went on some sort of metaphysical journey...perhaps 'The White Lodge' but who knows? Perhaps Briggs met his shadow self and defeated it...unlike Cooper, I like to think that Briggs passed his test.

When considering Choronzon...we are in the realm of Qabala (and its various alternative spellings, no pun intended) and I don't particularly want to get into that here...its too big a subject.

 


 

briefly...

On the 'tree of life' Choronzon represents the Guardian of the the 2nd veil, who resides in the sphere of Daath.  (I think comparisons can be made with 'the tree of life'/'tree of death' or 'sephiroth/qliphoth' and the 'White Lodge'/'Black Lodge' of Twin Peaks.)


Crowley states:

This doctrine is extremely difficult to explain; but it corresponds more or less to the gap in thought between the Real, which is ideal, and the Unreal, which is actual. In the Abyss all things exist, indeed, at least in posse, but are without any possible meaning; for they lack the substratum of spiritual Reality. They are appearances without Law. They are thus Insane Delusions.

Just wanted to point out that Briggs is marked with the symbol of Choronzon...well that is one possible interpretation at least.

The fact that Briggs is heavily connected to 'Project Bluebook' dealing with ufo/extra-terrestrial life is a key point imo...especially when connected with 'magick' and 'demons'..for if you look into Crowley's contact with the entity 'Lam' (Tibetan for 'way' or 'path').  It is 'Lam' the 'praeter-human' entity that bears more than just a glancing similarity to the classic UFO occupant...AKA 'the alien grey'.

 

LAM

 

A few Choronzon ramblings etc:

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/cienciareal/cienciareal19.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abyss_%28Thelema%29

 
5. Thursday, November 4, 2010 9:57 AM
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i love this thread. quick question: in looking at the qabbalah illustration(qabbalah being one of the mystery school i need to do more research on, as i dont know as much id like to(cant that be said for everything tho)) i was wonder why in the sephiroth and qliphoth illustrations, why is DAATH(connected to uranus) in the tree of life and not in the qliphoth, the tree of death? i always thought that the trees had only ten points, but there are eleven in the sephiroth. can you illuminate me please?

 
6. Thursday, November 4, 2010 10:03 AM
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also, bluefrank, when youre quoting crowely, i see many paralles with alchemy, specifically what you quoted about the abyss. in alchemy, all being can be physically manifested into a four part mandala, the parts being(in order) earth, water, air, fire. the description of the abyss is very similar to the air level, know as the realm of the holy fool, who speaks wisdom but is not believed by those still residing in earth and water levels. does this make any sense to you?

 
7. Thursday, November 4, 2010 3:22 PM
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Firstly the 2 trees can be thought of as the reflection of each other...the qliphoth being the negative/black/dark reflection of the sephiroth tree etc (see diagram).  A sort of anti-creation aspect, if you like...there's the usual case of duality at work. The remnants of the worlds created and destroyed before this present incarnation of the world.  The 'creation' automatically lends the idea of the 'symbolic' tree in the garden of eden and hence the tree of life...etc.

 

 

"under the sycamore treeee"

 

http://miriadic.wikia.com/wiki/Qliphoth

 


 
8. Thursday, November 4, 2010 3:30 PM
bluefrank RE: “Two symbols combined into a larger whole, but for what purpose?” - Cooper


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I believe Kenneth Grant has done a lot to popularise this negative aspect of the tree and apparently some don't give much respect to it or even to da'ath being in the sephiroth...such is the apparent nature of magickians etc   I'm only throwing this stuff around because I see that it could somehow relate to aspects in the mythology of Twin Peaks.

 

To answer your question...Da'ath (knowledge/gnosis) is referred to by some as the 11th sephirah or the sphere without a number or by others it's considered not to be a sephirah, but as 'knowledge throughout' the sephiroth.


http://www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/d/daath.html


The concept of the 'abyss' can even be found in biblical texts & the zohar...it's also found in the necronomicon, I believe.  Choronzon (analogous with Samael & also the serpent of genesis) is cited by Dee/Kelley & Crowley/Neuburg.

 

 
9. Thursday, November 4, 2010 3:32 PM
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The negative or so-called false sephiroth is Da'ath which is analgous with the Abyss.  The abyss is the gulf between the individual mind and 'cosmic consciousness', between 'manifestation' and 'non-manifestation', or between life and death. The plane that the magician must cross on his own, without any assistance whatever.

In 'Nightside of Eden' Grant explains: the 11th power zone, Da'ath is attributed to Uranus and is the abode of the Black Brothers, when viewed from the sphere of Malkuth (Earth). The Black Brothers are represented phenomenally by those who view the universe as an object reality. The scientists are their prototypes. Da'ath being the Gate of the Abyss is the point both of ingress into noumenon and of egress into phenomena; in other words it is the gateway of the manisfestation of non-manifestation. (phew!!!)


Hey...I'm no expert or anything, just a few ponderings, much of which may be meaningless or whatever.  Alchemy/Qabala/Aspects of Masonry/The Mystery Religions all have very much in common.

 
10. Thursday, November 4, 2010 3:38 PM
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thanks! very informative! and i make no claim to expert status either, ive just read researched and gone to the theosophy world HQ in illinois that i dont live to far from to attended lectures and discussions. and i couldnt agree more with your last statement, there is a reason all of the schools have similar features. i think a big problem with our reality is that each asserts its rightness over others wrongness. even theosophy, which was supposed to be an all inclusive philosopy of spirituality has fallen into that ditch. but i guess thats the human condition, how do we get out of the ditch?

 
11. Thursday, November 4, 2010 5:26 PM
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If we have a bit of fun with it...

We can take 'Lam' (way or path) or 'Lama' (he who goeth) which echoes 'tibetan'....and that aspect can relate to Blavatsky (& her tibetan masters/white lodge, who you will know all about!) and then to the 'dugpas' etc that Earle talks about briefly, as part of the story arc. (Perhaps Mark Frost is well versed in this stuff!)

Earle & Hawk who both mention White/Black Lodge (and particularly Hawk who mentions that every soul must pass through the Black Lodge and the spiel about soul annihilation/shadow self etc)...seem to contain an essence of some of what I am talking about, in the posts above.

 

The sephiroth/qliphoth does seem comparable to the dual white/black lodge concept (in the spiritual sense)...the 'entropic' nature of the 'qliphoth' lending itself quite nicely to the domain of Bob & friends...their purpose seemingly being...feeding off the cultivation of suffering.

 

Sorry OP...I hope you don't mind if this takes your thread slightly away from its original point.

 

 
12. Monday, November 8, 2010 8:40 PM
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QUOTE:also, bluefrank, when youre quoting crowely, i see many paralles with alchemy, specifically what you quoted about the abyss. in alchemy, all being can be physically manifested into a four part mandala, the parts being(in order) earth, water, air, fire. the description of the abyss is very similar to the air level, know as the realm of the holy fool, who speaks wisdom but is not believed by those still residing in earth and water levels. does this make any sense to you?

   Hi, JFK. May I add my thoughts?  The Qabala also has at its core symbology around sacred fours.  When looking at the Sephiroth on the Tree, each sphere is meant to be understood not just on one plane, but on four...the Four Worlds:

   

   Atziluth, the Archetypal World, World of Emanations

   Briah, the World of Creation,

   Yetzirah, the World of Formation

   Assiah, the World of Manifestation


In turn, each of these relate to the four alchemical parts, Atziluth/FIre, Briah/Water, Yetzirah/Air, Assiah/Earth (and the four letters in the sacred name:Yod-Heh-Vau-Heh, and theTarot suits: Wands, Cups, Swords, Pentacles).  So, the Yetziratic World is closer symbolically to the air level of alchemy.  


Dion Fortune (in her book The Mystical Qabalah) said this about the abyss and "...the mysterious Daath,  which never appears on the Tree, and to which no Deity-name or angelic host is assigned and which has no mundane symbol in planet or element, as have all the other stations on the Tree...in Daath is the secret of both generation and regeneration, the key to the manifestation of all things through the differentiation into pairs of Opposites and their union in a Third."   I experience it on a microcosmic level when meditating, and you breathe, in, out and then, after all the air is out, there's a gap...before the next in-breath when "life"  returns.  That gap is like the abyss, and Daath, where the transformation happens.


On the Lynchian level, what for me is so cool is that even when artists have no "conscious" knowledge of any of this, the symbology always comes through.  I've seen it time and time again.  The images and symbols appear across all cultures and time.  Ain't it grand?!


"I'm talking about seeing beyond fear, Roger.  About looking at the world with love."
 
13. Monday, November 8, 2010 7:04 AM
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QUOTE: the Four Worlds:

   

   Atziluth, the Archetypal World, World of Emanations

   Briah, the World of Creation,

   Yetzirah, the World of Formation

   Assiah, the World of Manifestation


 

 

Yes indeed...

I know them as

1/ physical plane

2/ astral plane

3/ casual plane

4/ archetypal plane

 

For me this all (qabala etc) kind of came about when I was breaking down 'Kubrick's 2001 A Space Yesodyssey' (pun intended)..as it can be found in that particular work of art....amongst many.

Malkuth (earth) Dawn of Man.

Yesod (moon)  Explains itself.

Tiperheth (*sun/saturn...saturn in the 2001 novel) Jupiter/Saturn phase

Kether (beyond the infinite, ain soph) Stargate & rebirth.


* Tiperheth apparently allows the interchangeability of this aspect being that of either the 'sun' or 'saturn'.  Kubrick tried to use Saturn, but the technical problems meant that they had to use Jupiter instead.  The book/story by Clarke always used Saturn in this regard.  So symbolically Jupiter is Saturn in the film version of 2001.

 
14. Saturday, November 6, 2010 7:42 PM
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I'm certain the log lady's design is two mountains, you know, TWIN PEAKS. ;)

The DVD menus use the same symbol to show what is selected, and I figured it represented 'twin peaks' before I even knew it was relevant to the show :P

 
15. Sunday, November 7, 2010 4:15 PM
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great info, rigpa. and you too bluefrank. i guess i have some researching to do in the near future! thank you many times over. im glad that at least those of us who wish to discuss these esoteric themes and ideas have a place to do it. i just moved, so it might be a while until i go further into what you both have added, but just from reading your posts im starting to understand the kabala much more.

 
16. Monday, November 8, 2010 8:45 PM
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I agree, JKF, it is great to have a place to discuss esoterica with like-minded folk.  So glad the posts have sparked your interest.


Here are a couple more interesting connections that I just thought of....I mentioned Dion Fortune (born Violet Mary Firth in North Wales, Dec. 1890), ritual magician and occult author.  In her 20's, Violet's growing psychic abilities led her to the Theosophical Society, and the writings of Annie Besant.  In Besant's book The Ancient Wisdom, she learned of the "Brotherhood of the Great White Lodge", a hierarchy of adepts who keep watch over the evolution of humanity.  Besant's book states that these Masters can still be contacted, and Violet became focussed on contacting these Masters.  Eventually, she founded her own mystical order (The Society of the Inner Light). Their first headquarters was at the foot of Glastonbury Tor!



"I'm talking about seeing beyond fear, Roger.  About looking at the world with love."
 
17. Saturday, November 13, 2010 8:28 AM
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Fascinating insights from everyone here.  I've long-awaited discussions on this subject matter.  May I suggest that this thread be torn and we start a new one dedicated to Ancient Mysteries influences in Twin Peaks?  There's a lot more to be said and discovered on this subject, and it would be nice to centrally locate it under a convenient heading.  Your thoughts on this? 

 

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