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| 1. Wednesday, July 7, 2010 1:24 PM |
| GoldenBuddha12345 |
LMFAP- The Devil? |
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I was talking to some friends that had watched FWWM before watching the series. Strangely enough they all loved the movie and wanted to watch it even after learning who the killer was. One recurring question that kept coming up was whether the LMFAP was supposed to be the Devil. A part of me wanted to explain that he was the arm of Mike the one-armed man...but the more I thought about it...their concept might actually warrant some merritt. In fact considering LMFAP as being Satan gives the whole movie and series an even more frightening edge to it.
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| 2. Thursday, July 8, 2010 12:04 PM |
| mr.pinkles wrinkle |
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| QUOTE: I was talking to some friends that had watched FWWM before watching the series. Strangely enough they all loved the movie and wanted to watch it even after learning who the killer was. One recurring question that kept coming up was whether the LMFAP was supposed to be the Devil. A part of me wanted to explain that he was the arm of Mike the one-armed man...but the more I thought about it...their concept might actually warrant some merritt. In fact considering LMFAP as being Satan gives the whole movie and series an even more frightening edge to it. |
hmmm, but if LMFAP is the devil, mighty lord of the hells, and also the arm of Mike - Then who the heck is MIKE??? What kind of dreadful, strange being has the devil himself as an arm? What about Mikes other arm? Is this arm then GOD? If Mike's arms is respectively the devil and God, then one can deduce that Mike has power over Satan and God because he has power over his arms............So Mike can control the very being that created everything.........But is not God supposed to be omnipotent? was that not one of his defining characteristics? But maybe God created the universe in such a way that he became the arm of Mike? Or maybe Mike created God who then created everything else........ But Mike is a part of everything, a small part, but a part nontheless.....so God did not create everything?? Just a heck of a lot?! And remember: Mike talks about seeing the face of God........Maybe he opened his palm and there God's face appeared, and God said: Rip off your other arm, you fool! Dont you know it's Satan, that bugger! I've been searching for him for ages, trying to annihilate him once and for all into oblivion! Rip of your arm Mike, and burn that sucker! Come on, do it.......do it for God!
i dont believe i've handed my gun over to anybody in my ENTIRE LIFE!!.......you wanna know something else i've never done?........I've never crossed the ocean.....Never got to China!
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| 3. Thursday, July 8, 2010 12:02 PM |
| GoldenBuddha12345 |
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Perhaps everyone in the lodge is a version of Mike.
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| 4. Thursday, July 8, 2010 12:09 PM |
| GoldenBuddha12345 |
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QUOTE:| QUOTE: I was talking to some friends that had watched FWWM before watching the series. Strangely enough they all loved the movie and wanted to watch it even after learning who the killer was. One recurring question that kept coming up was whether the LMFAP was supposed to be the Devil. A part of me wanted to explain that he was the arm of Mike the one-armed man...but the more I thought about it...their concept might actually warrant some merritt. In fact considering LMFAP as being Satan gives the whole movie and series an even more frightening edge to it. |
hmmm, but if LMFAP is the devil, mighty lord of the hells, and also the arm of Mike - Then who the heck is MIKE??? What kind of dreadful, strange being has the devil himself as an arm? What about Mikes other arm? Is this arm then GOD? If Mike's arms is respectively the devil and God, then one can deduce that Mike has power over Satan and God because he has power over his arms............So Mike can control the very being that created everything.........But is not God supposed to be omnipotent? was that not one of his defining characteristics? But maybe God created the universe in such a way that he became the arm of Mike? Or maybe Mike created God who then created everything else........ But Mike is a part of everything, a small part, but a part nontheless.....so God did not create everything?? Just a heck of a lot?! And remember: Mike talks about seeing the face of God........Maybe he opened his palm and there God's face appeared, and God said: Rip off your other arm, you fool! Dont you know it's Satan, that bugger! I've been searching for him for ages, trying to annihilate him once and for all into oblivion! Rip of your arm Mike, and burn that sucker! Come on, do it.......do it for God!
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Didn't Mike say "I too have been touched by the devilish one?" Wouldn't that imply that the tatoo is a part of the devilish one? That the tatoo is the example of pure evil that infected Mike (or at least that's what he believes")?
In any regards, Mike does believe that he has has had intimate correspondance with god and satan. This to me leads to the theory that The Giant is God, and LMFAP is Satan.
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| 5. Thursday, July 8, 2010 12:59 PM |
| mr.pinkles wrinkle |
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QUOTE:QUOTE:| QUOTE: I was talking to some friends that had watched FWWM before watching the series. Strangely enough they all loved the movie and wanted to watch it even after learning who the killer was. One recurring question that kept coming up was whether the LMFAP was supposed to be the Devil. A part of me wanted to explain that he was the arm of Mike the one-armed man...but the more I thought about it...their concept might actually warrant some merritt. In fact considering LMFAP as being Satan gives the whole movie and series an even more frightening edge to it. |
hmmm, but if LMFAP is the devil, mighty lord of the hells, and also the arm of Mike - Then who the heck is MIKE??? What kind of dreadful, strange being has the devil himself as an arm? What about Mikes other arm? Is this arm then GOD? If Mike's arms is respectively the devil and God, then one can deduce that Mike has power over Satan and God because he has power over his arms............So Mike can control the very being that created everything.........But is not God supposed to be omnipotent? was that not one of his defining characteristics? But maybe God created the universe in such a way that he became the arm of Mike? Or maybe Mike created God who then created everything else........ But Mike is a part of everything, a small part, but a part nontheless.....so God did not create everything?? Just a heck of a lot?! And remember: Mike talks about seeing the face of God........Maybe he opened his palm and there God's face appeared, and God said: Rip off your other arm, you fool! Dont you know it's Satan, that bugger! I've been searching for him for ages, trying to annihilate him once and for all into oblivion! Rip of your arm Mike, and burn that sucker! Come on, do it.......do it for God!
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Didn't Mike say "I too have been touched by the devilish one?" Wouldn't that imply that the tatoo is a part of the devilish one? That the tatoo is the example of pure evil that infected Mike (or at least that's what he believes")?
In any regards, Mike does believe that he has has had intimate correspondance with god and satan. This to me leads to the theory that The Giant is God, and LMFAP is Satan. |
hmmm, i dont exactly understand this theory of yours.......well, i guess that Mike would get touched by satan (the devilish one) only if he touched himself (appropriately and/or inappropriately) since his own arm is satan..........If Mike touched himself inappropriately with his own arm this definitively would imply that he had intimate correspondence with satan, would it not? maybe not....
But kidding aside, what is your justification for asserting that the Giant is God? I also don't see the connection with Mike saying he has been touched by the devilish one and the tatoo being part of the devilish one? Could you clarify this point?
i dont believe i've handed my gun over to anybody in my ENTIRE LIFE!!.......you wanna know something else i've never done?........I've never crossed the ocean.....Never got to China!
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| 6. Thursday, July 8, 2010 1:52 PM |
| Booth |
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| QUOTE: But kidding aside, what is your justification for asserting that the Giant is God? | GOD IS SEVEN! feet tall
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| 7. Saturday, July 10, 2010 7:41 PM |
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Well, the LMFAP was Mike's left arm, and the left arm/hand is culturally/historically associated with evil.
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| 8. Sunday, July 11, 2010 10:24 AM |
| mr.pinkles wrinkle |
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| QUOTE:Well, the LMFAP was Mike's left arm, and the left arm/hand is culturally/historically associated with evil. |
Why is the left arm culturally/historically associated with evil? I know that in some parts of the world it is common not to use toilet paper, but use your hand and water to wash your behind.......And i think it is custom to shake hands with the right arm, because you wash your bottom with the left (or maybe it was the other way around? I dont remember....)....
but i was thinking that maybe this custom could have something to do with the viewpoint that the left arm is evil...... Many years ago, while i was traveling in India, i also had to use my hand to wipe my bottom.....i think i used my right hand, actually......come to think bout it, maybe i ended up using both, he, he
i dont believe i've handed my gun over to anybody in my ENTIRE LIFE!!.......you wanna know something else i've never done?........I've never crossed the ocean.....Never got to China!
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| 9. Sunday, July 11, 2010 10:52 AM |
| Booth |
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| QUOTE: Why is the left arm culturally/historically associated with evil?
| Extra, extra, read all about it!
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| 10. Sunday, July 11, 2010 11:09 AM |
| mr.pinkles wrinkle |
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From Wikipedia: "Amongst Muslims, and in some societies including Nepal and India, it is customary to use the left hand for cleaning oneself with water after defecating. The right hand is commonly known in contradistinction from the left, as the hand used for eating." I was right! I am very intelligent, no doubt about it!
i dont believe i've handed my gun over to anybody in my ENTIRE LIFE!!.......you wanna know something else i've never done?........I've never crossed the ocean.....Never got to China!
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| 11. Monday, July 12, 2010 10:59 PM |
| nuart |
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In lieu of a series of recent events, I'd have to figure the answer is TRUE, at least if art imitates real life. Susan
“Half a truth is often a great lie.” Ben Franklin
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| 12. Monday, August 30, 2010 4:54 PM |
| Fred |
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Traditionally, red is the colour of the Devil. He is depicted with red skin. Perhaps, LMFAP is indeed Satan himself...
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| 13. Tuesday, August 31, 2010 8:12 AM |
| LovesPhilosophy |
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I don't get the impression that any of the lodge spirits we see are that "senior" in their world. LMFAP and the Giant I think are the two most senior we see, more so than BOB I think, but I don't think they are God and the Devil. I actually think the monkey may be meant to represent the devil, and I think the way it whispers Judy is some sort of commandthat we never get to see executed
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| 14. Monday, September 6, 2010 3:16 PM |
| dawn |
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I don't know, I never got the feeling that he was the devil, or evil for that matter. I felt he was sitting on the fence, neutral. The black lodge was a place of evil, but if he was the devil, I'm pretty sure that he wouldn't of gave Cooper some of the clues, and he was associated to the giant, the old waiter, laura, Mike - I honestly think he was the path between good and evil, since he associated himself with good (laura, the giant, the old waiter, mike) and the bad (bob) but didn't sway either way. He was in the waiting room, which was purgatory (I think), which meant that he was neither in heaven or hell.
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| 15. Wednesday, February 2, 2011 3:41 PM |
| grantm |
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I think LMFAP was definately evil(guardian of black lodge?) he represented the evil part of MIKE'fire walk with me' and appeared to Cooper taking great pleasure when Josie died.This however could be his apparent happiness at aquiring garmonbozia from Josie which manifests through pain and suffering-Josies tortured face on the drawer
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| 16. Thursday, February 10, 2011 2:18 PM |
| forgiveness |
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I don't believe that the MFAP is the devil. To me he is the arm of Mike but also Mike. Mike states that there was a tattoo on his left shoulder that linked him to BOB "Fire Walk With Me". When Mike turned good he states he cut the entire arm off. While this makes some viewers think that the arm was evil I think it was merely the tattoo that was. There is a neat little scene in Polanski's "The Tenant" where the main character goes on about how parts of his body are himself, not seperate entities. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KMQ0UVZjUU Logically if the arm was evil because he had killed with it, Mike would also need to remove his brain because it had had bad thoughts and his heart because it had had evil desires. Not to mention other pieces of anatomy that I hesitate to get into... When Mike was converted after having seen God's face all of him was purified. It was only the tattoo that remained as a reminder so Mike went to drastic measures to be rid of the darn thing. The MFAP states that where Laura and he come from the birds sing a pretty song and there is always music in the air. That sounds more like the White Lodge to me than the Black Lodge.
David Lynch: There are many things I think that are out there that we don't know about but sometimes, you know, you get certain feelings.
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