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| 1. Sunday, May 16, 2010 6:03 PM |
| Vampyre Mike |
Ed and Nadine *Spoiler* |
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Once she had snapped back into normal from the falling sandbag do you think he does marry Norma, or go back to Nadine because he feels bad?
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| 2. Sunday, May 23, 2010 11:24 PM |
| 12rainbow |
RE: Ed and Nadine *Spoiler* |
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That question is the answer to the significance of the scene, which is that whatever happens, Ed's dilemma has reached critical mass; just when the stars finally seemed to be smiling on Ed and Norma, and when the worst of Nadine's insanity seemed past.
Nadine is even more pitiful than when she attempted suicide in ep 29, because now she knows that not only will no one patent her invention, but that her marriage has been a lie.
I think the implication is that Nadine is now an even greater suicide risk. She has had two brushes with death already, with both the hunting accident and the overdose. The Reaper is on her tail, for sure, and she's still the depressed and unstable woman she was before the coma.
No matter if she lives or dies, Nadine's life with Ed is over. And Ed HAS to man up and divorce her like he never had the balls to do before.
The bright side is that Norma is free again. Her marriage to Hank was the biggest reason he stayed with Nadine. That, and she offered unconditional love when he was lonely and pining away for something he could only have in secret. And he pitied her like she was some kind of unwanted dog in the pound. The pity is stillthere, but now Hank is gone, and Nadine knows the truth.
It seems inevitable that Nadine'll definitely die without the one person she believed cared for her, and even that knowledge didn't keep her from swallowing the pills.
Maybe Jacoby has Norma carted off by the whitecoats, and Doc treats Ben at his home, and Audrey gets blasted safely onto one of those bouncy inflatable castles they have at children's parties.
At least Ed can finally be with his true love :)
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| 3. Monday, May 24, 2010 1:16 AM |
| Cooped |
RE: Ed and Nadine *Spoiler* |
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as i've mentioned before, i think most of the events of the final episode are a way of ensuring the circularity of the narrative of TP: Many events mirror the Pilot, and the events in the Black Lodge ensure a looping effect. When Nadine screams for her drape runners, it reverts Ed and Nadines story to the state it was at the beginning of the show...
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| 4. Monday, May 24, 2010 6:59 PM |
| 12rainbow |
RE: Ed and Nadine *Spoiler* |
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QUOTE:as i've mentioned before, i think most of the events of the final episode are a way of ensuring the circularity of the narrative of TP: Many events mirror the Pilot, and the events in the Black Lodge ensure a looping effect. When Nadine screams for her drape runners, it reverts Ed and Nadines story to the state it was at the beginning of the show...
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That scene does, for sure. And the word uncanny comes from the idea of being followed, as if shadowed. It's possibly the whole theme Twin Peaks leaves us with. We see it most obviously when Cooper's dopp is chasing him, and also in the title of the show.
Freud's idea of the uncanny was all about anything that is both intimately familiar and terrifying at once (which is how David Foster Wallace defined that evil word "Lynchian" so long ago.) Repetition is an easy way to make that happen in a narrative.
Personally, I associate the repetition in Twin Peaks with death. Every plot moved toward death via love, which is also the Freudian definition of life (eros/thanatos.)
You know, like when you get that uneasy chill of deja vu when Heidi, Bobby and Shelley repeat their Pilot conversation. That's uncanny. I would wager that all three of their days are numbered from the spooky score laid over their goofy display of affection.
Yep. Nadine is a goner.
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| 5. Tuesday, May 25, 2010 4:31 AM |
| Cooped |
RE: Ed and Nadine *Spoiler* |
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here here 12!
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| 6. Thursday, July 15, 2010 4:52 PM |
| JacksOtherEye |
RE: Ed and Nadine *Spoiler* |
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not to go on a tangent... but one part of the scene I never understood: Why did Mike Nelson also need to get his head bandaged? It didn't look like he got hurt during the commotion of the pageant (in fact, it was Bobby who took the log to the face from Windom Earle). Bobby seemed fine the next day -- and yet Mike was all beat up. Always seemed strange to me........ I think I missed something.
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| 7. Friday, July 16, 2010 1:08 AM |
| Cooped |
RE: Ed and Nadine *Spoiler* |
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Mike got hit in the head ('the tree hit me') because ep 29 tries to return Twin Peaks to what it originally was: a lot of doublings and echoings. The Mike and Bobby/Mike and Bob connection is shown again: Bobby is hit by Earle in ep28, but it is Mike who gets the injury; the confusion between the Mikes and the Bobs etc.......
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| 8. Saturday, July 17, 2010 2:43 PM |
| darksideOfTPeak |
RE: Ed and Nadine *Spoiler* |
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I totally dig Cooped and 12's response.
I think Nadine's lost eye makes Ed feel guilty as he was responsible for that. Whenever he thinks he can relive the past with Norma, his conscience seems to keep him with Nadine. Ed is classic Man vs himself. He uses Nadine's insanity to justify leaving her, but when she comes to her senses and Mike doesn't want anything to do with Nadine, it is within Ed's character to feel guilt and go back. Even if Ed was to totally leave Nadine, he would eventually turn more miserable in the future. Ed is destined to be miserable for two reasons...1) he can't be with who he truly loves and 2) he can't forgive himself and does not know how to deal with guilt. Ed is the guy that does the "right thing" as it is small town values.
If Ed was ask for forgiveness from Nadine, find her a companion that she could love and be loved back, then Ed would be able to move on. But by that time Norma would have waited long enough and she would have moved on, leaving Ed with no one. We always believe that the grass is always greener on the other side. The other question is to ask yourself is if you were in the same situation, would you leave your insane spouse for another, or would you tough it out, through better or for worse?
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