Hey, you know who else hated Mondays?  Garfield.

And Kevin, for the gagillionth time. You have to sell people on a link with a good desciptor to get them to click it, and putting "porn" in your slugline only makes non-porn surfing audiences wary of clicking it.

You may as well have posted SlutsFromYourNeighborhood.com

The video he posted is a lurid picto-memorial of how various adult actors offed themselves.

I think once they've gotten into porn, it may seem like a more glamorous cause to want to help pull them out of the gutter, but how about starting with depressed teens and adults? Very, very few get into porn in a happy state of mind, but they are adults and it was their choice. If they had found God first, life may be different. Unfortunately, God doesn't pay ridiculous SoCal rent or for psychiatric help. (Great choice of song for the video, the chorus is "nobody wants to die in Van Nuys.")

And what about the ones whose names are never known? Traci Lords' Children of the Night is to help get desperate kids off the street, kids who are sexually exploited left and right and never get FAMOUS for it. That is a cause I can get behind.

Yes, Children of the Night, i could get behind that one two. Stop that nightmare unforgivable practice of abuse and worse.

so...at least one actress died in a car accident...what does that have to do with 'saving' porn stars? A random accident has nothing to do with the 'suicides' etc shown in this vid. Don't really know why this was even posted, unless it was meant to speak for itself, which it doesn't.

The porn industry can be a horrible one, lurid and exploitative, but I am highly sceptical of 'saving' people under the pretense of vague, insidious religious beliefs. I'm sorry if this offends you Kevin, but this is a free speech forum, so you have as much right to post that as i do to protest it.

I am sure the maker of the vid wanted the theme from the song-- about a person who lived a loser life in shame-- to carry over into the bios.

But you are right, reckless driving or drunken driving, or whatever happened can't possibly have a provable causal relationship to screwing on film. Neither can alcoholism & it's diseases, drug abuse & addiction, mental illness & suicide.

Kevin, since you are now treating this as a serious thread, I will address you properly instead of being glib and posting Garfield as I did earlier.

Once upon a time I had a girlfriend who had a serious sexual fixation from an early age.  She was my first serious girlfriend, like most of the women I've dated she was smarter than me, she had a great sense of humor and style, she was creative, and we really enjoyed being together.  We dated and lived together for the better part of a decade.

For whatever internal reasons, she could not stop looking at the world as a set of potential sexual partners/conquests/stunts, and most people with any attractive element in them would be targeted, regardless of gender or age or anything else, once they came into her view.  (I accepted her adventures because they were only one facet of her at the time, we set the open-relationship rules fairly early, and she was serious about personal safety precautions.)

Anyway, we eventually drifted out of love, but stayed very close as friends. She tried to live a straight life, but a personal heartbreak with another relationship sent her in a bad direction and she couldn't hold it together anymore, after which she threw herself entirely into her sexual pursuits to the exclusion of all else.  Things went badly for her very quickly after that.

I am convinced that if she had lived in a more amenable city -- and I tried to convince her to move, but by then she was afraid of not having people she knew nearby to work out her fix with -- she could have managed a fairly tolerable life working in pornography.  She could get some of what she needed, in an environment that would not be judging her for it in the ways she had become accustomed to, she would perhaps have an opportunity to deal with whatever buried parts of herself needed some attention, and she would be supporting herself financially at the same time.

I would be surprised if her story was unique, especially within porn circles.

Pornography exists not just because there are people who want to see it, but also because there are people who want to make it -- either for purely monetary reasons, or for other, murkier ones.  And yes, it's an industry with dangers, and sometimes attracts people who are blinded by their own preconceptions and don't see those dangers clearly.  Same can be said for a lot of occupations, but since those other occupations aren't filled with Laura Palmers there's far less urge for us to psychoanalyze them.  They don't summon our internal white knights in the same way.

On the flipside, I've burned through many years and sabotaged a couple of promising relationships due to white-knighting my way through life, trying to figure out what the women in my life "really meant" or "really wanted".  Do you prefer to be treated as an independent person who deserves to be taken at face value and trusted, or like a project, a puzzle to be solved by someone who thinks they know better?

And that forces me to conclude on a hypocritical note, because I don't believe that you posted your Dead Porn Stars link on the Monday before Christmas as a true attempt to engage debate or conversation, I think you were simply trying to be brash and attract attention.

I'm going to try to have that be the last mean thing I say to anyone this year.

Back in the eighties, i was hanging around the best whorehouse in Sausalito. i was an escort's escort. Some folks were making a video in another room as I took a look at the girls there in the living room. They were all good looking, young, sexy. and while i mentioned earlier in a post above a whore who never touched drugs or alcohol, most of these others were different. The majority used, and i think definitely to excess, cocaine freebase, injected heroin for example.- this is just what i eyeballed myself. So a word of warning. That high class escort from Saturday night you 'dated' If she had gone thru her stash and needed money for drugs, might well be by the side of the highway leading to San Francisco on Monday morning looking for a fast commuter trick and money for more drugs.  Lesson; that multi hundred dollar Saturday date may also be a strung out roadside hooker. And a gal with quite possibly, careless hygeine and very possibly carrying STDS, AIDS, Hep C and warts.

The above notwithstanding, I am for legal prostitution. A move that would have a net plus effect on hookers and the population at large. Pornography in and of itself-all things being equal blah blah seems less dangerous than whoring.

It is that seducing the young and niave into adult rhealms that is the crime. Those jackals that do that should be sent away longtime.

It is certainly not sanctioned or encouraged in the porn industry. Only the skeeviest of porn bosses feed their girls narcotics, and any legitimate adult filmmaker/photographer shuns it. Even strip bars won't let a sloppy lush onstage for long.  Not a huge audience that wants to see a nauseous, glassy eyed junkie who can't hold herself up do it on camera.  Like any other movie, you can't maintain-- you get fired.  THAT is when the porn druggies kill themselves. 

NOR have I seen real blood in any porn movie. Have you? Other than in anti-porn propaganda?  Cum is part of the skin trade. They're selling it.  Beef patties are what's sold in fast food, and there's proabably been more cum in burgers than there has beef patties in porn.  Ever.  There are regulations. Porn stars have to be tested.  Medical workers also deal with body fluids, and they have to be tested for TB, HIV and Hepatitis.  Preventative measures can be taken, but disease can still be spread.

 Non sex workers and non medical workers also contract STD's, have you heard???

And YES. Suicide, rape, murder happens to people who work everywhere, from office buildings to doctor's offices to taxi cabs drivers to-- indeed-- McDonald's!!!   Remember that guy who was getting his kicks calling fast food restaurants impersonating a police officer, getting teen girls that worked there to strip and give oral sex to random male adults?   It's a hazard of life, buddy.  Sorry.

 Like Jamie said,  there are a lot of occupations people get into not fully considering their inherent dangers, or thinking they can handle them.  Law enforcement and military come to mind, but there are others.  Firefighters, EMTs.  All who are providing a public service. Just like sex workers. 

And NO, I am not insane for suggesting there is no causal relationship between porn and suicide.  It is what's called a logical fallacy.  Correlation does not imply causation.  Look it up.

That is fetish. A niche, hardly mainstream. Makes up for a fraction of what you find in video stores. And still, I have never seen blood unless it's a bloodsports movie-- which is even more niche, in which case you will not see hardcore penetration. You just can't blame the entire industry for what happens in an underground segment. There are crooked cops, too, but it doesn't mean we should do away with the police force entirely.

At the porn shop I managed, we had 3 SM movies. I have also watched my fair share of SM movies, and seen a ton of SM performances at public and private venues. None of them had blood. SM is about pain, not bloodshed.

Anyone who makes it big enough to be known does not do SM (which is different from light to moderate B&D, which Jenna Jameson and Sasha Grey do.) Unless they are desperate for cash and they are starting to be worth less.

Did you know that dentists' odds of suicide "are 6.64 times greater than the rest of the working age population"? -researcher Steven Stack.

"In 1997, NIOSH and other government agencies analyzed 1980-84 death certificates by all occupations and causes of death, and found statistically significant elevated rates of suicide for:

White male physicians.

Black male guards (including supervisors, crossing guards, police, protective service occupations, but not correctional institution occupations).

White female painters, sculptors, craft-artists and artist printmakers."

However,despite studies that try to gather accurate statistical evidence "Occupation is NOT A MAJOR PREDICTOR of suicide and it does not explain much about why the person commits suicide." (emphasis mine)

Notice adult entertainers are nowhere in the top ranks. And even if they were, in college journalism, we learned that stats are rarely accuate unless that sample selection is enormous, and even then, the results can be slanted when unsubstantiated assumptions of causation are made.

http://www.apa.org/monitor/jan01/suicide.aspx

Think about all the porn actors and dentists who are doing just fine? Surely they are the majority.

The Dentist are probably killing themselves out of bordom. There are a lot more dentist than porn stars as well.  But you don't think that porn has changed since the 80's.  That it has become more violent over the years.  I have heard that it is losing money now though because it is no longer taboo.  That concerns because what will be the next taboo that people will pay for. 

That is all I am saying.  I think there needs to be more protection for people in porn. 

Do you actually watch pornography still to have these strong opinions to base your dislike of it on? Or do you get your info secondhand? Because I'm sure a lot of people here, having NO problem with porn at all, have seen a lot more than you have and are better judges of the state of the industry than Bible-thumping naysayers..

The Dentist stat was to prove a point, but that went over your head:

"Dentists suffer from relatively low status within the medical profession and have strained relationships with their clients--few people enjoy going to the dentist." One study of Oregon dentists found that they had the highest suicide rate of any group investigated. A California study found that dentists were surpassed only by chemists and pharmacists. Of 22 occupations examined in Washington state, dentists had a suicide rate second only to that of sheepherders and wool workers."

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2301/do-dentists-have-the-highest-suicide-rate

"Read the studies and you begin to see the problem. Suicide research is inherently a little flaky, in part because suicides are often concealed. Equally important from a statistical standpoint is the problem of small numbers: dentists represent only a small fraction of the total population, only a small fraction of them die in a given year, and only a small fraction of those that die are suicides. So you've got people drawing grand conclusions based on tiny samples. For example, I see where the Swedes think their male dentists have an elevated suicide rate. Number of male-dentist suicides on which this finding is based: 18."

AND HOW MANY PORN STARS WERE IN THAT YOUTUBE VID? CLEARLY THEY ARE THE EXCEPTION, NOT THE RULE. Kevin, refocus your energy. It is easy for someone who used to have a porn addiction to "displace" wanting to give *IT* to hot girls to wanting to give *GOD* to hot girls. It's like a different kind of orgasm, and it's still a sexy cause (even if it's trying to stop sex) because the victims are sexy.

It's like the preachers who get busted with hookers and gay hustlers as they preach against those sins. The more someone feels a thing is wrong in the eyes of God, the more of an erotic charge it has for the person who is offended.

I didn't say anything was wrong.  People can do what they want.  I just think it is a destructive industry.  It isn't that way with strippers as much as porn stars, but the clip represents a lot more porn stars and many of the people in the clip were some of the most popular porn stars.  And I have said in an earlier post that I have not really been around many porn stars or strippers etc...  lately.  Just been doing general outreach in malls, the streets, etc...and it is always out of love.  Most of the preachers that have been caught with homosexuals etc... were usually spreading a message of hate. 

And even if I did sleep with a porn star, hooker, stripper etc... The only thing I would feel bad about is that the woman would have been  hurt, but that has never happened.  Although I have been tempted within the bars at time and also within the church.  But I have remained a virgin. Other than when I was sexually molested at five years old.  That does not mean that I look down on people who are having sex, just that I choose to remain single and not have sex until I am married.  If I ever decide to get married.