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True, i don't, you're little more than an abstract concept to me, i know very little. But you seem to have a great dependence upon drugs. Drugs fuck folks up, there is not argument against this, it is simple as this. This is pretty much all that i know about you, and this aspect concerns me, for drugs fuck people up. I would be equally concerned if you constantly talked on the board about say, wrist cutting. A bad habit, just like drugs.

Also, the internet and the anonymous nature it provides unfortunately filters out conversational nuances, such as tone, which in non direct conversation usually fills in for lack of body language. since both are absent, its fair enough you missed the slight tongue in cheek tone of my 'sort your life out' post, a common occurence on boards, where people seem to become easily irate. I dont begrudge you this, you percieved it as an unwarranted , unjustified personal attack. it was not meant as such. From my neck of the woods, our humour and banter involves deprecating and self deprecating humour, which was the tone intended for my post, but as mentioned this was clearly lost in translation

Ok, I understand that, I'll let it go.

I'm not going to start an argument about drugs (I hope), but I firmly believe that marijuana does not fuck you up.  My brother is an experienced doctor, and he believes the link between marijuana and mental illness is purely coincidental, as many people in psychiatric hospitals who smoked marijuana beforehand, were in fact unstable before smoking marijuana.  And salvia is, in most places, legal, because it has zero bad side-effects.  Some governments are trying to change that, and make it out to be bad for you so they can make it illegal, just as they did with marijuana.  Also, the drugs advisor for the UK government himself claimed that marijuana, ecstasy (never taken that, don't intend to) and LSD aren't nearly so harmful for you as cigarettes and alcohol...before he was fired by the ignorant politicians.  I know people who have smoked marijauna for almost their whole lives, and who lead perfectly normal, stable, peaceful lives.  I stick by my view that marijauna is not bad for you, and is in some cases, the opposite.

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Fair enough; I'm in agreement with the uk drugs advisor regarding cigarettes and alcohol, which do indeed cause a great deal of damage. I too know people who have smoked grass for years and years, and they are neither up nor down; yet in others a change in their behaviour has been triggered by long term use, i know these people very well, and don't see it as coincidence. the line is very hazy between how damaging drugs are, and how much is scarmongering, but i dont think they are as placid in their health effects as many make out.

Anyway...

The Lodges as metaphor was OK but the stuff that got onscreen about them was not so much. Communicating the good verses evil subplot and explaining Windom Earle's role was helpful overall to the character and plot development to introduce the new character and his pet psychosis, but the images inside the Red Room were mind candy that spawned more questions than it ever answered. Maybe if Lynch paid more attention, stuck around, and the series went on for 20 or so seasons.

 Season 20 cliffhanger: The last three remaining residents of Twin Peaks sit around a living room watching an endless loop of Julie Cruise singing something new and Angelo in front of the Red Room drapes and our cast is struggling to stay awake. We can see only that its two women and a man from the waist up to their neck. The camera pans along endless rows of empty donut boxes and well-drained coffee cups with empty refill pots lingering a few moments on each bomb strapped to their collective chests. Hands with blinking Dead-Man-Switches droop as we pass along their slumped bodies, the camera finally focusing on the faded, yellowing photo of Laura on the wall. As we fade to black and the credits roll we hear the sound of snoring start softly getting louder. Roll Credits.

Which three denizens remained and why are they bombed up? Tune in for the season 21  opener "Lodge Brothers and Sisters!"

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and im glad to be in agreement with wizofxenia for the second or third time(you know im joking most the time anyway, i just have that dark sense of humor, as cooped kindly pointed out). but Green Formica Table, you may need to watch the whole thing over again. and maybe not just the finale. because "mind candy " is ridiculous.
though the rest of the quote is "spawned more questions than it ever answered."
that i might actually agree with. except that this is a good not bad thing. more than anything i get out of lynch is that we musnt be so accepting to everyday reality as we feel we have to be all the time. because we can forget there are always more mysteries underneath, things beyond our imagination(or the unified field as some say) and more often that not, questions go unanswered. usually because they dont have to be, but anyway...
sorry, im in a philosophical mood for a monday.

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BOOOO!

you blowhard. so nothing ive said, or rami, or coolsprings, or hell anyone is going to convince you different? dont underestimate that because the lodge/s take place in the finale of the show, it has ramifications all the way back to the pilot episode(as indeed the two RR breakfast scenes with bobby, shelly, and heidi are mirrored by each other but in a knowing way 2nd time around).
AND
therefore the complete series as well, in a way according to the rules that TP sets for itself.

(another thing to take into account, wizxenia, many of us saw this show when originally aired, i was 10ish. so our perspectives are probably quite differnet from the newer viewer, and even yours to an extent)

how else was the red room sequence in ep 2. going to fit in the rest of TP? and isnt it true that the images and ideas in ep. 2 are just as much a part of the laura palmer murder and its solving?(unlike you insinuated before). thats also to be found in FWMM, which is just as much apart of TP as any of it.
now, youre going to tell me that the red room was just a random dream sequence? no way. it was so so odd when it first aired and then afterwards the red room was lost in the boggle midway through second season(save BOB's occasional return, the giant, and also josie's death and the visions after and then ep27 tips the hat).
BUT to NOT have given those characters, BOB, MFAP, the giant, abstract as they may be, their world or existence within TP the show, even if the lodges exist outside of TP as a ficional town and are part of the mythology, without pulling all that together, as far as the finale goes, that would have just fucked it all up.
and the show would have ended weaker, i believe.
how is it not completely fitting that the scene without context in ep.2, thought of as lynch leaned again a car warm in the sun, would end up also being the settings for WL/BL? both are dualistic parts of a greater whole. i dont think its as easy as good vs. evil, as some have said. its that for good to exist, there must be evil. for evil to exist, there must be good. my point being both good and bad are needed. the extremes meet and hopefully find balance.
ok
thats it for philosophy for tonight

"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

i agree with you again coolsprings.
i thought id make it known im a IE lover too, so...
my views of the supernatural in TP are almost normal compared to what is takes to feel an understanding with IE(im exaggerating a bit sure)

and again. i saw this lodge shit when i was ten and eleven(pilot-ep.29) i believe. beyond all the otherworldly parts of TP before, watching those last twently minutes in the lodges and then BOB's possession of cooper at the end over the credits and then him just laughing at the camera left an indelible impression on me at an early age. as an artist and as a film apprecitor. maybe thats why there is a disconect between some of us, ie. liking vs. not liking lodge stuff. i can imagine maybe someone seeing it the first time at approx my age, and then maybe it just seems random, but to me, im rewatching something i first watched twenty years ago.  and neither the twain meet(yet).

Originally the lodges didn't have a thing to do with TP.  Cooper's dream was a magnificent sequence, but it was a dream to me.  The Lodges' thing only ties in with the whole saga if you want it to, it depends on whether you like the second half of season 2 or not I suppose.

And i've understood that philosophy since Blue Velvet.

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im glad you understand where im coming from. but if youve understood that philosophy since blue velvet(although, this is not a concept that is exclusive to lynch, life is where you find it) but still, when you say "Originally the lodges didn't have a thing to do with TP.  Cooper's dream was a magnificent sequence, but it was a dream to me.  The Lodges' thing only ties in with the whole saga if you want it to, it depends on whether you like the second half of season 2 or not I suppose," you undermine your own logic. when i first saw TP, its was for a few months(first season), then months of nothing but TP hype over the summer, and then the months of the second season(im not even going to get into that, it has nothing to do with my point) my point is i had to wait lengths of time to see the show. i had no other choice but to accept the lodges as the ongoing developments. it doesnt depend on whether you like S1 or S2 better. it depends on how you conceptualize and internalize the show. for some of us, that goes deep. the rest, not so deep.
i think the luxury of having the whole series on disk(again, only a few years ago, no such thing existed)
and viewing what you want, at your leisure, is maybe not the greatest way to appreciate a tv show like this one. watching the show in 90-91 on tv, and with maybe a vcr to record it, is a completely different expirience. each episode was waited and waited for. and again, thats part of what made the finale so incredible at the time. NOTHING on tv like that had ever aired. the problem is, i think, is that you just see surrealist, abstract things in the lodge. which i admit, they are there. but i am still able to pull emotional and intellectual sense from it, again, i think because i was so young when i watched TP.
but think that over. if you didnt have the box sets, where you can watch your favorite parts and avoid the parts you dont like, you might be more apt to accepting all of TP and FWWM.
actually since we're talking about the lodges, what do you think of FWWM? i imagine youre not that fond of it because its missing all the TP elements and deals with laura and her struggle against BOB, in fact, her struggle with the lodges more precisely. that was the initial argurement against the film when it came out. "Its too confusing!"
now most people think its one of his masterpieces and has been accepted as such.
maybe the lodges will grow on you, who knows?

I envy you seeing TP as a series when it first aired.  But for me I doubt it was any less magical.  TP had a profound emotional impact on me, tho not so much the latter half of season 2.  The Laura Palmer mystery and the characters and the mood and setting I fell deeply in love with.  And I do appreciate the box-sets available now, I'm very proud to own them.  As for FWWM, I have mixed feelings..  The Laura Palmer mystery is my favourite part of the series, but to be honest, just that, the mystery.  But the film was very harrowing and effective, and fascinating to see how Lynch connected things and used his supreme creativity to bring everything together.  It's almost schizophrenic that film, two films in one, one a supernatural head-trip, the other a dark, disturbing portrait of family life and of a victim of incest.  I admit it took me a while to get into, and I'm not fond of the first act.  I prefer the series, but acknowledge the difference between the film and the series...while as a whole, narratively, they tie together, my Twin Peaks is the Laura Palmer mystery primarily. 

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so you dont remember anything from when you were a child that showed you how the world can open up and things you never imagained can happen? you say "But for me I doubt it was any less magical". you must have had a depressing childhood. because if i watched TP now, cold, never seeing it before, it would absolutely have a different magic than when i saw it two decades ago. its not about less or more, but type.
but i better understand your viewpoint now. but, i must say, this is way better conversation than little private jokes or flames. some of your earlier posts were a bit indolent, and i just couldnt take them seriously, not as an internet persona, nor as a person. but now that youve explained you basically only like the first season, or just the laura palmer mystery(i imagine you see it purely as a case of incest, and BOB etc. is the poetic touch of lynch(a theory i dont discount, but thats doesnt do justice to TP and FWWM)). anyway, i know where youre coming from now, and i hope you can respect that i and others see more to TP than the case of who killed laura palmer.

wiz - just for fun, rent INLAND EMPIRE. im wondering if you can make it past 10 min.