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| 1. Friday, September 11, 2009 2:49 PM |
| bluefrank |
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Listen...I've been to one of their meetings too (honestly it was above a 7-11 store near me)...and they told me... it was a murder contract, in progress! 
Just thought I'd put this up as another take on the 'convenience store' scene from FWWM and how in my mind it reads like a contract being put out for murder. Pay attention to the seating of the people and the gestures being made.
Pierre Chalfont
"Fell a victim"
Kill a 'victim' or specific un-named person (I can't really read that any other way tbh)...order given with pronounced 'finger point' directly at Bob. (quite some authority wouldn't you say, seeing as he gives the order...which links to the possibility of this child being the 'magician who longs to see'...allowing for the fact that he wears the mask with no eye-holes...but thats another story)
This is imo...highly likely to be the contract being arranged to terminate 'Teresa Banks'(Jefferies has been missing 2 years etc)...and we are seeing Bob in this scene, playing some kind of subserviant role...that basically he is the errand boy. I would also say that here it does appear that Bob is cooperating and knows his place in the scheme...only to later attempt to reneg on the deal and try and assert his own authority against the convenience store crowd...which he does acheive with Banks, but not so with Palmer.
followed directly by
MFAP (seated at table with Bob opposite)
declares "with this ring I thee wed" (whilst appearing to direct this statement at Bob opposite)
after this we do see Bob do a strange hand clapping motion as if he could perhaps be accepting the proposal given...but that is just conjecture obviously.
It also makes sense that MFAP (the arm) uses Bob to do the killings...seeing as though Gerard is severly handicapped or armdicapped ;-)...making the physical body of Gerard literally useless for carrying out violent murders etc. We see MFAP 'the arm' conjoin with the astral body of Mike/Gerard during the last scenes...when demanding the 'garmonbozia' of Laura...here surely he is being represented as the whole and it also seems that 'the arm' has authority over the body of Mike/Gerard...because MFAP makes it happen and not the other way around. We also confirm here the fact that Mike/MFAP has definite authority over Bob.
Now firstly the ambiguity of that statement ("with this ring I thee wed") needs to be addressed...is it being made in the sense of MFAP being the 'minister/pastor' (as the ceremony is typically read out, only to be repeated back) or is it meant in the traditional 'groom' role? Well we cannot know precisely which is being inferred, as the scene does not provide us with the full information required. Obviously this is important.... if we take it in the context of MFAP as 'groom'... then this would leads us to assume some kind of direct 'covenant' would exist between 'the victim' and MFAP.
If we were to take it in the context of 'minister/pastor' then we would have to look at the meaning in a totally different way...that MFAP is serving as a form of mediator, in this murderous contract that we seem to be witnessing (in this scene), something like that. This understanding would play more like Bob being in the 'groom' role and it is he who has the 'covenant' with the victim...afterall it is Bob who is going to carry out the actual kill...and we do know that Bob/Leland does actually murder Teresa in a trailer. It is perhaps at this point that Bob steals the resultant Garmonbozia for himself (meant for the convenience store crowd) and starts a revolt against the powers influencing him. (Bob's ultimate goal being the possession of Laura and that seems to be against the wishes of MFAP et al...who seem to be after the rich vein of garmonbozia that they'd get from Bob murdering Laura after all those years of pain & sorrow etc) The ring that Banks was wearing served its purpose as an identifying and binding object...and I assume that we can also gather that Bob had no designs on possessing Teresa either or at least didn't appear to. To add, I think there is sound reasoning to the idea that when Bob/Leland murdered Teresa...she wasn't actually wearing the ring that we had seen her wearing previously...I couldn't see it on her hand when Bob/Leland batters her to death, in that very brief scene...it just does not seem to be on her finger! I don't however, think that it was due to Bob attempting to possess her...just that it may have been a way to deceive the convenience store crowd, while he killed her and took off with the 'garmonbozia'. The wearing of the ring for the actual kill does seem to be crucial, as we see in the closing scenes and it may not of been about stopping Laura's possession for just benevolent reasons, the bozia seemed to be what really mattered overall. (you have to use slo-mo and frame advance to see that Banks is not wearing the ring). 
Teresa Banks no ring on finger seconds before death. (its easier to see this in black/white form...there is no ring on her 3rd finger on the left hand). So where is it and is its absence crucial?
In fact, I also think the TV set is axed by Bob/Leland because that is how MFAP can access Bob & the scene after the kill (electricity)...another preventative measure?...we hear the whoop-whoop sound right before he smashes the TV. It does seem that this Banks kill could've been Bob/Leland in freelance murder mode (against the wishes of mfap) and this tallies in with the big dispute regarding stolen 'garmonbozia'. Maybe Bob/Leland put the ring under the trailer...the one Desmond finds later, who knows?
a very pleased Mike/Gerard...grinning like a 'chesire cat' while Laura gets murdered and not possessed.
The ring (in part) prevents Bob from taking a person over, this ring was eventually thrown into the rail car by Mike/Mfap...which at the last moment, scuppered Bob's plans. In fact we see Mike rejoice at this deed outside the rail carriage, while he ignores Ronette's plight...dismissing all hope of him acting in any meaningful benevolent way) The Picture
the Chalfont's ensuring that Laura gets murdered and not possessed.
I believe that the picture given to Laura by the Chalfont's was the 'convenience store' crowd's way of ensuring that Laura was eventually murdered and not possessed by Bob...who had revolted. Laura's realisation of her father as her abuser ultimately acted as the catalyst that led Bob/Leland to take the action that he did. Something had to be done either way, the 'possession of' or 'murder of' Laura had to happen...as the cat was out of the bag & Leland/Bob knew it. (the convenience store mob had forced his hand by intervening) Leland/Bob could not continue his relationship with Laura in the same way that they'd always been used to (Laura was rapidly breaking down...so it seems the discovery of her father being the abuser was a whole lot more devastating to her than it just being Bob on his own...you only have to observe Laura's subsequent behaviour to realise that much).  the morning after
Laura's newly acquired knowledge about her father...was a deal breaker & Leland/Bob had to act, for fear of being found out by those around in general...but it seems Mike and his buddies were always just one step ahead of the game this time and they wouldn't let Bob get away with what he had done, during the murder of Teresa. Some may view Mike/MFAP/Gerrard as somehow being 'benevolent' in the greater scheme of things...seeing as though he prevents Laura from being possessed by Bob...but i wouldn't call a choice between 'death' or 'possession' an act of benevolence...by any stretch of the imagination. In fact, surely if the 'garmonbozia' wasn't needed in the first place, then there would be no reason to murder or possess Laura at all...just thought I'd mention it. Anyway...this is my first post, so don't be too hard on me and I've only just started getting back into this whole Twin Peaks phenomena...again. Hey...I hope I'm not breaking any rules posting the 'screenshots' and if anyone objects then I will happily remove them!?
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| 2. Friday, September 11, 2009 3:20 PM |
| robert |
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Another intersting post, loved those pictures. Regarding Teresa Banks...perhaps both BOB and Leland was involved, personally I´m not a fan of that theory: remember she tried to blackmail Leland. She discovered his identity and therefore Leland/his doppleganger kills her. Leland was a baaaad boy... I think BOB just observed the holes that once were Lelands conscience.
Let´s tip their power balance, tear down their crown, Educate the masses, let´s burn the white Lodge Down!
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| 3. Friday, September 11, 2009 6:58 PM |
| newraymond |
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I liked the post. And it shows why I think Pierre has more rank than most folks give him credit for. To me he is the shot caller, even over LMFAP, Pierre being a magician "in training" not withstanding. ( He seems to me on one level to be a child DL representation, isn't he actually Dave's nephew in FWWM ? On another level the ultimate shot caller is indeed the film's director-David Lynch) I was not completely sold on Pierre being a young Leland Palmer as many espouse.
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| 4. Tuesday, September 15, 2009 10:43 AM |
| mtl |
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totally agree with that. could it be why Pierre and his grandma lead Donna to Harold? he knows that Laura goes there, but he isnt able to know what's said or done inside. maybe he feels that Donna can help him (without knowing, obviously) to know what's going on. and she does very well by making Harold leaving his house. and we know what happens next - 'je suis une âme solitaire'
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| 5. Wednesday, September 16, 2009 2:43 PM |
| Green Formica Table |
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| QUOTE: 1) Listen...I've been to one of their meetings too (honestly it was above a 7-11 store near me)...and they told me... it was a murder contract, in progress! Just thought I'd put this up as another take on the 'convenience store' scene from FWWM and how in my mind it reads like a contract being put out for murder. Pay attention to the seating of the people and the gestures being made. 2) "Fell a victim"
Kill a 'victim' or specific un-named person (I can't really read that any other way tbh)...order given with pronounced 'finger point' directly at Bob.
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1) Why do you assume the convenience store was a 7-11 and not a Circle-K? After all the cyclic comments by Mike that is what I assumed?
2) An oronym is a verbal phrase that can be heard as two different statements. I picked a screen name based on Lady Mondegreen in honor of Lynch's breaking of the word barriers in One Chance or One Chants. You hear "Fell a Victim" I hear "Fellow Victim." Easier to see what with the white space between words and all. One of the most famous oronym was the English weapon shot from their longbows, "An Arrow" being adopted by the conquering French into "An Arrow" so, yes, WE's weapon used to slay the first pawn was a oronym.
Does anyone know what "In the Garden of Eden" got morphed into?
Nice post! I hope my minor picking-of-the-nits doesn't detract from my thinking this Damn Fine Work on your part!
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| 6. Wednesday, January 26, 2011 1:54 PM |
| forgiveness |
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I think that Fell would be a past tense sort of thing, as in “fell a tree”. It seems like the victim has already been taken. Since I wholeheartedly believe that Pierre is the representation of Leland’s possessed form I take it to mean that he is referring to BOB having found a new host ie. Dale Cooper. It corresponds with Jeffries pointing at Dale. This makes the convenience store scene take place following the series finale. When BOB claps his hand the MFAP seems kind of shocked as if the move wasn’t expected. The hand clap results, for me at least, in time reversing. The Jumping Man, Dale, becomes dormant and Pierre returns to life and needs to wear the mask again. BOB has taken us to a time when Leland was alive as was Laura (represented by the monkey). I think that there is a large chance that it was the woman who stumbles into Teresa’s trailer when Chet and Sam are investigating that may have been the source of the whoop-whoop sound during Teresa’s murder. It would explain why she is there, returning to the scene of the crime, and also why her face/eye is damaged, a result of the tv set having been destroyed. I never doubt that Mike/MFAP is benevolent. To me they are the same being, sometimes during the FWWM script MFAP is even referred to as Mike. For Laura the choice was truly one of death or possession. BOB was obsessed with her and he was immortal. Once his host was killed he would find a new one and seek her out once more. To Mike, a being who was willing to take off his arm because of a tattoo, the soul was more important than the body. He knew of a life after death and of God’s love and forgiveness. Yes Mike leaves Ronette but he also is probably aware that she is safe. He is guarding the hospital later on in order to protect her from BOB. If Mike’s actions are not considered benevolent than the Giant’s can fall into suspect also. Remember, the Giant/Waiter know Cooper needs medical attention but don’t offer it to him. They also are aware of Maddy’s murder but hope Dale will figure it out in time. To me there seems to be a limit to what the White Lodge forces are able to do. The Giant says “That is all I am permitted to say.” Choice seems to also figure predominantly into everyone’s actions. I have mentioned it before but to me the garmonbozia is Mike’s own pain and sorrow. BOB feeds on fear and pleasure not pain and sorrow. Mike also states that BOB stole the corn not that he ate it. At the end of FWWM Mike also simply states that he wants all his pain and sorrow rather than requesting or demanding it from BOB. The pain and sorrow that Mike felt for Laura’s death was necessary. Otherwise, she would have become the monster she hated and BOB truly would have won.
David Lynch: There are many things I think that are out there that we don't know about but sometimes, you know, you get certain feelings.
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| 7. Wednesday, January 26, 2011 2:13 PM |
| one suave folk |
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Jonathan LaPelle is no relation to D.L. A false rumor. A young local actor who abandoned acting for baseball.
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| 8. Saturday, June 18, 2011 1:26 PM |
| Mathias_Black |
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I agree with Forgiveness almost completely, though I still think that LMFAP was not benevolent.
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| 9. Sunday, June 19, 2011 1:10 PM |
| waldo the bird |
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i always linked "fell a victim" and the fingerpointing to the fingerpointing before with jeoffries pointing at coop. it meant to me "he fell a victim to lmfap / he became bob (i see bob as a victim of lmfap, even in the most literal sense)". 1st fingerpoint is at cooper (last scene of the show, episode 29, toothpaste, mirror and coop), 2nd fingerpoint is at the viewer of the show, directed outside of the tv-screen (coop is the protagonist and is the one the viewer is supposed to identify with). with this ring i thee wed to me just added a new aspect to the owl ring, so the viewer has one more clue in order to track things down. it's a wedding ring with lmfap. i don't see a relation to specific events of the linear story. that pic with gerald and lmfap and "i want all my g": i saw it like: gerald translates lmfap, i cannot see a chain of command there. he just translates the essence of lmfap. and garmonbozia i have defined as anything, any wish, any object of wanting. it's a symbol of greed, of having special wishes. that close-up of a mouth, speaking backwards, i have defined as "lying". normally you speak and you're interested in truth, you speak, you think openly, publicly, you speak. and while speaking, while talking to others, you react to what comes to you and you change your opinion according to your impressions, in search of truth. but that's not lying. lying is: you have the truth, that is your lie, already mapped out before you open your mouth. and what you speak, it is not what you think. speaking is just a sideprodukt of you wanting to enforce your lie into the heads of the listeners. that's speaking backwards. to me at least.
phantom / ghost : open book in a dead language, a blush, far from the madding crown, willow
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| 10. Monday, June 20, 2011 4:28 AM |
| waldo the bird |
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(add speaking backwards) ... x (not lying, speaking, thinking openly) speaks with y (lying, talking backwards). x doesn't know that y is lying and can't detect it. y says his lie. x answers. y says his lie. x answers. and so forth and so on indefinitely, while y takes everything that he can get his hands on in order to back up his lie and while y refutes any argument made by x completely, while completely ignoring everything that could lead astray from the wanted effect of the discussion with x, the implemention of y's lie into the head of x. and when x is young and naive and listens and listens and doesn't get it ... well, it may have grave consequences. sorry for just posting a new posting, now i've seen that "edit post"-button. after having written this i came to thinking: it's utterly useless what i wrote about garmonbozia "it's just greed. it's any wish." since garmonbozia conveys everything itself: it's something one wants, that's all what's known. what it is - that is totally unknown - i guess, there must be some strange little man you know from that place back there yes there far off that has told him to get it. it conveys every aspect of "greed" without using that dull, timeworn word. o - what it is - it's creamed corn. is corn a metaphor for the basic thing (of anything), and creamed corn is the superfluous luxury version of it? also: the black lodge, that 2nd part of episode 29. it is not a description of someplace or some kind of consciousness. it actually IS it. those 20 minutes or what, they ARE the black lodge. it is basically incoherence, lack of judgement, lack of second thoughts, lack of orientation. it's depersonalization, every human just being an exchangeable, one and the same, human or ape or what. ((( also coop's coffee, one and the same, turning to scorched engine oil (doesn't it?) - it's that secret vice to indulge in ("shopping", josie poodle cite) - it's that often quoted coop sentence (let you in on a little secret) - the difference between leland's chewing gum and coop's coffee and difference between their outcome is just a natural inclination of leland to interact with people (it's his basic modus operandi), while coop lacks this natural inclination - that's the only thing that saved him and it's nothing one could impute oneself. ))) just images, emotions, instants. and there's an instand belief in language, without the attempt to interpret it. just one sentence and the assumption: what he says is how he thinks. at least within that second of actually uttering something, there can't be a thing faked, a hypocrisy, an acting.
phantom / ghost : open book in a dead language, a blush, far from the madding crown, willow
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| 11. Thursday, June 23, 2011 5:43 PM |
| mtl |
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| QUOTE: totally agree with that. could it be why Pierre and his grandma lead Donna to Harold? he knows that Laura goes there, but he isnt able to know what's said or done inside. maybe he feels that Donna can help him (without knowing, obviously) to know what's going on. and she does very well by making Harold leaving his house. and we know what happens next - 'je suis une âme solitaire' I was going to say 'I'm totally with you on this' until I realised I wrote the fucking post a year ago!!
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