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| 1. Sunday, February 12, 2006 3:20 PM |
| tbwart |
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1.Watching FWWM this moment, and I can't stand it anymore! Ok. This ring, everyone who weares it dies, right? So could it be that the ring deliberately causes people to die, and that BOB really only wants to abuse someone, not kill someone,but is he forced to kill the one who weds the dwarf/mike? And because of that killing the garmonbozia can be harvested( by who??)? 1b.At the end, in the black lodge it all looks just like a courtroom where LMFAP/Mike are the judge. How come BOB/Leland listens to them (Leland even bows very deeply for them)? 2.Why does Cooper warn Laura for the ring? (It will surely kill her, doesn't Cooper know that?) 3.Do Mike and the LMFAP care about lives, or do they only care for the creamed corn? 4.Does Leland know he is sometimes inhabitit by BOB? 5.Can it be that the LMFAP is Mike's appearence in the lodge (except for the courtroom scene..)? 6.Why does ms. Chalfont give Laura the photograph with the door on it? Does she want to warn Laura? Did Annie send ms. Chalfont? 7. The chalfont boy removes his mask and shows his face to be a monkey. The monkey says Judy. Is this the same monkey? Is the monkey Leland? (this because of what the boy says about 'the man behind the mask wants to know...etc') I am going mad! Sorry if these questions are really dumb and ifthere are too many and if these are asked many many times before, watching the movie just troubled my mind again! Thanks for your patience!
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| 2. Monday, February 13, 2006 4:38 AM |
| Rami Airola |
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1a) I think in Laura's case when Laura took the ring and basically nullified everything BOB had tried to achieve, he tried to take whatever he could from her. He tried to steal "the corn" but was forced to give it to Mike as it belongs to him. 1b) BOB once told Laura that Mike is the only one he is afraid of. 2) At the moment Cooper was with LMFAP (the "do you know who I am" scene), he was still in "search for the truth" and didn't know what means what. He was just learning that the time in the Lodge might be the future or the past. He got in contact with Laura and thought he might be able to prevent her death by warning her. 3) They have their own judging system. Their own "law." They are more like people's mind and thinking. They are the subconscious of human mind. I believe they don't really care who dies and who doesn't. They care more about what happens AFTER someone dies. 4) Leland said he couldn't remember. I think he didn't know about BOB. He knew what he was doing but was in a rush with his doings so that he couldn't be "responsible" of his actions. Leland wanted to have sex with her daughter. Leland was a paedophile. BOB is that rush that gets him doing what he did. BOB is the lust. Lust feeds on itself. 5) In the script Mike was involved in the meeting what Jeffries told about. LMFAP is part of Mike. He is Mike's arm. 6) I've got to think about this later. 7) I've got to think about this later.
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| 3. Monday, February 13, 2006 8:54 AM |
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pretty much everything Rami said is what I would have said. I want to stress the point that the ring doesn't mean death in a straightforward manner, but it means the inability for BOB to possess that person, so he can only kill them. As far as Mrs Tresmond(Chalfont) giving Laura the painting, I think it is specifically done to give Laura a doorway in her dream to enter into the lodge setting. I think it is all done with the purpose of letting Laura know about the ring. The Tresmonds seem to be against BOB's plan. It's hard to say if they are good or not, but they are some kind of antagonizing force.
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| 4. Monday, February 13, 2006 9:53 AM |
| ivalinda |
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Yeah,that's an interesting idea and could be possible,although I think that this Cooper in Laura's dream was his doppelganger(inhabited by Bob),and he told her not to take the ring,because if she takes it,Bob will not be able to posses her!
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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| 5. Monday, February 13, 2006 10:44 AM |
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Yes,but then he didn't know that not taking the ring will automatically let Bob posses her,but thanks God that Laura took the ring,I wonder why she took it,why she didn't trust Cooper,when he told her in the dream not to take it?Do you have any idea?
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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| 6. Monday, February 13, 2006 10:54 AM |
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| QUOTE: I wonder why she took it,why she didn't trust Cooper,when he told her in the dream not to take it?Do you have any idea? | a fairly good guess as to why she took teh ring, and didn't listen to Cooper is because she remembered Teresa Banks having that ring, and somehow equated it to her death. And she didn't want to be possessed by BOB, so she chose death
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| 7. Monday, February 13, 2006 2:43 PM |
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I don't think Cooper's warning has anything to do with his advantage or disadvantage. This was simply a vision of Laura's for an explanation of what the ring does. Cooper says don't take the ring because that gives her an idea that taking the ring would result in death. He encourages her to fight for her purity and do anything to keep Bob out of her and not die. This has nothing to do with Cooper's aspirations. I think she takes the ring because it is kind of the "last judgement" and there's nothing left to do: either get posessed or not. So she takes the ring because she wants to go the pure or good (or whatever you want to call it) way. Her vision of the angel compliments this. Leland/Bob is two sides. Sometimes Bob acts and sometimes Leland acts, but they are different entities. "Don't make me do this" is Leland's side, meaning he does not want to kill his own daughter but is incapable of struggling against the Bob side. I am still debating Leland's fault and responsibility. I sometimes think that this is a surreal metaphor, therefore Leland is not responsible and this is simply a tool, like a religious scripture to show how one can be dominated and turn out to appear as a completely different being, like an alter-ego. On the other hand, a more realist and literal approach is that one is dominated by evil, it is THEIR fault. Anyway, I am kind of going off topic.
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| 8. Monday, February 13, 2006 11:38 PM |
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Well,does this mean that if Laura hadn't taken the ring,Bob/Leland wouldn't have killed her?With or without the ring,Laura was going to die!
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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| 9. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 5:02 AM |
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http://www.2000revue.com/prr/articles/onering.html
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| 10. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 7:40 AM |
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| QUOTE:With or without the ring,Laura was going to die! |
NO! Ok, this is a confusion which must be cleared up. BOB did not want to kill laura at all. He wanted to possess Laura. He wanted to kill through her. Laura was strong, and she resisted him. By putting on the ring, BOB was no longer able to possess Laura. She chose to be killed, rather than possessed.
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| 11. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:36 AM |
| tbwart |
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Laura did indeed choose to be killed. She could not take life anymore. The trouble with James, Donna and the drugs were getting too much, and most important the realization that Leland abused herdrove her desperate. Furthermore she had the idea that BOB was more than only Leland I think, but the complexity, together with the dug abuse drove het mad and suicidal. Now, but why did she get killed and by who? By BOB or by Leland? I think BOB could't have killed Laura if it wasn't for Leland. Leland knew his daughter was doing all this prostitution and this drove him mad. Because he was losing his innocent teenage daughter to a crazy nymphomaniac he wanted to kill her (Leland only killed Theresa after he knew that she had hooked up Laura and Ronette for a sex date with him). At the same time BOB did not want to kill her, he only wanted another vessel for his spirit, and Laura was interesting for him. She was close to his vessel, and she had enough pain and sorrow to feed him. He only desperately killed Laura because of the ring. I think BOB does not want to kill at all, not even through Laura. Can he not harvest garmonbozia without killing someone? I also think BOB loved Laura, just as Leland. Both killed her because they both could not have her.
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| 12. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:37 AM |
| ivalinda |
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Yes,this thing about possessing is clear,Bob wanted to posses Laura and to kill through her,and taking the ring will not let him posses her,and all the garmonbozia then is for Mike/LMFAP,but the question is why then Leland/BOB took the two girls(Laura and Ronette) into the traincar?What did Bob want then?Was his aim to kill her,because at that time Laura hadn't taken the ring yet,we see this scene later,when Ronette tried to open the door,and Gerard threw the ring into the car.
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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| 13. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:50 AM |
| My Special Agent |
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| QUOTE:but the question is why then Leland/BOB took the two girls(Laura and Ronette) into the traincar?What did Bob want then?Was his aim to kill her,because at that time Laura hadn't taken the ring yet,we see this scene later,when Ronette tried to open the door,and Gerard threw the ring into the car. |
BOB/leland took Laura into teh train car to possess her. We witness the possession process in motion for a small period of time. Laura looks into the mirror and sees herself becomeing BOB. The best theory I've heard as to why Ronnette is brought into the train car is that she is meant to be Larua's first victim. So, again I bring you back to the point that until the exact moment Laura puts on that ring, there is NO intention to kill her
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| 14. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:52 AM |
| tbwart |
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| but the question is why then Leland/BOB took the two girls(Laura and Ronette) into the traincar?What did Bob want then?Was his aim to kill her,because at that time Laura hadn't taken the ring yet,we see this scene later,when Ronette tried to open the door,and Gerard threw the ring into the car. |
First I think that it was no-one's intention to kill Laura to begin with. It happened only when it was clear to BOB that she belonged to Mike/LMFAP (although Laura did not know this, she only knew that the ring had caused Theresa to be killed), and when it became clear to Leland that she was unreachable for him ('are you going to kill me know'). She doesn't seem to be afraid, only very excited in a strange way...
I think Leland took the girls to the trainwagon to rape Laura so that he could have her, and I don't think Ronette was important for him. I think BOB used the trainwagon to perform a ceremony (the candles and the mirror etc.) to possess Laura, and again I think that Ronette is not important to him. I think they took her because she was part of the sex thing. She in Lelands image represented the dark side of Laura, the Laura who was not his daughter and so he hated Ronette and took her (to be raped too?). And BOB, I don't think BOB has very much to say, I think he is not fully in charge of Leland, so Ronette was taken because Leland did so, not because of BOB's intentions.
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| 15. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 9:56 AM |
| My Special Agent |
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*Obligatory snide comment about having beaten you to posting that*
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| 16. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:07 AM |
| tbwart |
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I think BOB does not want to kill at all, not even through Laura. Can he not harvest garmonbozia without killing someone? I also think BOB loved Laura, just as Leland. Both killed her because they both could not have her. |
Just like BOB said; You might think I've gone insane, but I will kill again'. Doesn't this implicate that he was not a killer at all? It's obvious he was forced to kill Laura. Maybe he only liked the killing, or he felt he had to kill just to mock his spirit collegues in the future...
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| 17. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:06 AM |
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Oh,God,finally I understood now:)))...damn,this is a story very difficult to understand,the more I watch it,the more confusing it becomes
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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| 18. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:12 AM |
| tbwart |
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Now for question 6 and 7....anyone?....
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| 19. Tuesday, February 14, 2006 10:22 AM |
| ivalinda |
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About question 6 My special agent mentioned it above,I have the same theory,that Chalfont wanted to let Laura know about the setting of the Black Lodge,and the ring,and about your 7th question i still have no idea:(
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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| 20. Wednesday, February 15, 2006 8:44 AM |
| My Special Agent |
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| QUOTE: About question 6 My special agent mentioned it above,I have the same theory,that Chalfont wanted to let Laura know about the setting of the Black Lodge,and the ring, |
glad someone was paying attention and for 7, I'm pretty sure the mokey behind the mask is the same mokey we see at the end saying "judy". And your subquestion about the mokey being Leland, well that might be right. In the old board, there were at least 2, maybe 3, fairly long threads discussing the idea that the grandson is meant to be young Leland. Maybe this is true, maybe it isn't, but if it is true, and the boy turned into the mokey, it can stand to reason that the mokey is Leland
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| 21. Wednesday, February 15, 2006 5:21 AM |
| ivalinda |
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My special agent,how not to pay attention to your theories,I support them! 
Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...
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