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| 1. Monday, November 24, 2008 9:05 AM |
| LittleMike |
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One thing I noticed when rewatching season 2 is something which happened with Harold Smith, Ive often been curious about how much of the story he tied into. Just I noticed that his hand shook involuntarily when he stepped outside...a connection to BOB and the Black Lodge by any chance?? This happened to Cooper, Pete Martel and a woman at the RR What are the views of the rest of you on this, would Harold in someway have been an 'agent' of the Black Lodge, I'm not sure myself as hes only in a few episodes itshard to tell
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| 2. Monday, November 24, 2008 12:13 PM |
| giospurs |
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Harold is one of my favourite characters. I wish he'd been in a few more episodes. It'd be nice if he was connected to the Black Lodge story more, remember who he was next-door to...
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| 3. Monday, November 24, 2008 12:51 PM |
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In FWWM, Harold tells Laura that BOB is not real. In the series, his hand shakes when Donna tries to take the diary and he gets exposed to the outside world. You also feel the Tremonds possibly played a role in his suicide and he may have known more than he let on. We'll never know. "Would you like some apple butter?" WTF? I love Harold.
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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| 4. Monday, November 24, 2008 2:53 PM |
| Maddy |
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I think it's probably because he was an agoraphobic, therefore afraid of the outside world. And that in itself could lead to all sorts of mental health problems, imagination..like maybe because of his condition he was more sensitive to the world, he did seem like a very sensitive, kind, quiet, psychic type of guy. Maybe Donna took him outside and his hand shook and he had that partial seizure because of not only the exposure to the air, but he could also feel the darkness in the woods, the evil forces at work in the underbelly of the Peaks that Laura was telling him about and of course, the strength and magical forces coming from his neighbours, the Chalfont/Tremonds, which were part of that and it frightened him more. I genuinly don't think he was in on the black lodge though, like Laura said BOB didn't know about him he'd be safe and if the the Tremonds did see him they probably just knew him as some quiet unassuming guy who keeps to himself, reads a lot of books and tends flowers. No prime suspect for anything lodge related imo. Poor guy was just a victim of too many secrets being entrusted to him and having not enough good confidantes to help him out a bit which ultimately lead to his suicide. (Side note: Maybe the grandosn's "Fell A Victim" was a preview/he may have foreseen Smith's demise.)
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| 5. Tuesday, November 25, 2008 3:07 AM |
| LittleMike |
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| QUOTE: I think it's probably because he was an agoraphobic, therefore afraid of the outside world. And that in itself could lead to all sorts of mental health problems, imagination..like maybe because of his condition he was more sensitive to the world, he did seem like a very sensitive, kind, quiet, psychic type of guy. Maybe Donna took him outside and his hand shook and he had that partial seizure because of not only the exposure to the air, but he could also feel the darkness in the woods, the evil forces at work in the underbelly of the Peaks that Laura was telling him about and of course, the strength and magical forces coming from his neighbours, the Chalfont/Tremonds, which were part of that and it frightened him more. I genuinly don't think he was in on the black lodge though, like Laura said BOB didn't know about him he'd be safe and if the the Tremonds did see him they probably just knew him as some quiet unassuming guy who keeps to himself, reads a lot of books and tends flowers. No prime suspect for anything lodge related imo. Poor guy was just a victim of too many secrets being entrusted to him and having not enough good confidantes to help him out a bit which ultimately lead to his suicide. (Side note: Maybe the grandosn's "Fell A Victim" was a preview/he may have foreseen Smith's demise.)
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I see what your saying Maddy, dont get me wrong I like his character, prefer his small part in the story to other ones. When I said 'agent' of the Black Lodge, I meant like an unwilling agent, its just that when his hand shakes, you hear the same sound when Cooper's hand shakes, and Pete Martell and also the lady at the RR Diner...and also the same sound is heard when we see BOB exiting the Black Lodge. Its a very small connection to the Lodge with Harold I know, you're most probably right, when I read your reply it does make sense, the evil underbelly of TP, the Chalfonts etc, I like the theory it makes story sense
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| 6. Tuesday, November 25, 2008 7:49 AM |
| jamiel8668 |
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| QUOTE: One thing I noticed when rewatching season 2 is something which happened with Harold Smith, Ive often been curious about how much of the story he tied into. Just I noticed that his hand shook involuntarily when he stepped outside...a connection to BOB and the Black Lodge by any chance?? This happened to Cooper, Pete Martel and a woman at the RR |
Not sure what it may have to do with the Black Lodge, in any certain way at least. But can't help but feel the events you've mentioned are linked in some way, yes.
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| 7. Tuesday, November 25, 2008 1:05 PM |
| mr. silencio |
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Well, he died under tragic circumstances and he knew Laura. He definitely is in contact with the Black Lodge, although he's not seen in any of the BL scenes. Now that you mentioned Harold I would like to make people think on the set used for his house. It's all wooden... That explains so many things, in a dark way. Also, I've always thought Harold's house in FWWM was definitely a different house than the one used in the series. Anyone agree? Or maybe it's just the different cinematography and angle-choice that makes it look like a different place. Now that I think of it, FWWM also features a dissolving exterior shot of Harold's house and it didn't look any similar to the apartment block that was shown in the series.
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| 8. Saturday, November 29, 2008 12:39 PM |
| tp3 |
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Harold's house/ flat in the series was obviously filmed somewhere in the LA locale (exteriors) and the interiors on a set. In the film it was all a real place that must be somewhere in the Northwest passage used during FWWM for all exterior shots - I would imagine there are some photos somewhere - has it been covered by the Twin Peaks Festival or elsewhere?
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| 9. Thursday, December 11, 2008 8:20 AM |
| Black Light |
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Well I do remember reading that as a younger person Harold had sought to gain access to the White Lodge, confronted the Black Lodge, realised that Bob is nothing to be afraid of -whereas the real carnate world can be extremely scary and does terrify Harold for the rest of his life...and returned to the town as an agoraphobe. Oh wait, I just made all that up!  I'll still wager that someone was about to say "You might have a point there!" 
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| 10. Thursday, December 11, 2008 3:53 PM |
| 12rainbow |
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| QUOTE:Harold's house/ flat in the series was obviously filmed somewhere in the LA locale (exteriors) and the interiors on a set. In the film it was all a real place that must be somewhere in the Northwest passage used during FWWM for all exterior shots - I would imagine there are some photos somewhere - has it been covered by the Twin Peaks Festival or elsewhere? |
Nothing on the locations on More In Twin Peaks, but Harold's house from the series is near the Johnson house in California. No idea where or if there's a FWWM house in Washington State. I'll bug someone with the shooting bible.
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| 11. Thursday, December 11, 2008 9:27 PM |
| Raymond |
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Harold is not the only one whose hand shakes involuntarily in the series. It happens to at least one or two other characters in the second season. I'd have to rewatch to determine the other hand shakers.
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| 12. Thursday, December 11, 2008 11:59 PM |
| 12rainbow |
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| QUOTE:I'd have to rewatch to determine the other hand shakers. |
They are: the old lady who's always at the RR, Cooper, and Pete, as jamiel8668 said.
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| 13. Friday, December 12, 2008 8:14 PM |
| Raymond |
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Thanks 12 and Little Mike above. The hand quaking is caused by the same, I am guessing, Black Lodge influence on all of them as suggested by jamiel, no ?
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| 14. Saturday, December 13, 2008 1:57 AM |
| LittleMike |
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Did you notice when BOB begins to exit the Black Lodge...his hand exits first and it shakes in a similar way to the above characters?
"Ive got good news....that gum you like is going to come back in style!" "I'm a WHOLE DAMN TOWN!"
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| 15. Monday, February 14, 2011 11:11 PM |
| bettydares |
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As little Mike suggested, this mirrors BOB's exit for a reason. one of my favorite TP online resources has been http://www.glastonberrygrove.net/mythos/eh.html where they explain the hand trembling as follows: Occurs when the gateway is breached with the near conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn. With the gateway partially open, Bob attempts to 'try on' different hosts. I believe this explanation since the hand trembling only begins to occur as the alignment and time when BOB has freedom to exit the lodge without already having procured a host approaches.
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