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1. Thursday, November 11, 2010 5:59 PM
Sourdust Black Lodge Encyclopedia - Agent Desmond


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Next up in the ever expanding Black Lodge Encyclopedia: Agent Chester Desmond. Not necessarily a Lodge character per se, but FWWM does imply some connections.

Agent Chester Desmond

  

Clues in Deer Meadow

When Gordon Cole assigns Agent Desmond and Agent Stanley to the case of Teresa Banks, he uses an odd code language to brief them on the assignment. A secretary named Lil, dressed as a mime, performs a dance consisting of various gestures. Each gesture signifies a different aspect of the case, as explained by Agent Desmond en route to Deer Meadow (imagine if Lynch had cut this dialogue!). At first sight, the entire sequence involving Lil may seem a little bit gratuitous, but if you think about it, Desmond’s explanation of Lil’s code language is really something of a concession for Lynch, who usually prefers to leave many of the oddities in his movies unexplained.

That is why I believe that Lil’s dance (and by extension, the entire Deer Meadow sequence) is a deliberate attempt by Lynch to plant clues and hints for the audience to re-evaluate Twin Peaks, particularly the events in episode 29. By explaining the bizarre gestures of Lil he actively challenges us to re-assess the gestures, dress, and speech of the Lodge characters.

Another such scene takes place at Hap’s diner. Desmond pulls a joke on Stanley by asking what time it is while Stanley is still holding his cup of coffee. The scene is heavily reminiscent of Cooper spilling his coffee inside the Red Room in episode 29. FWWM explicitly adds Desmond’s reference to time in Hap's diner. I have suggested before (see MFAP entry) that, during the sequence in the "waiting room", the MFAP demonstrates his ability to bend time inside the Red Room by successively freezing, accelerating, and slowing down Cooper’s coffee. The implication seems to be that time moves differently, sometimes backwards (or not at all) inside the Lodge. The scene at Hap's seems to allude to this connection. Another line from episode 29 appears earlier in FWWM. At the Deer Meadow police station, Desmond is told to wait in the lobby for Sheriff Cable. Deputy Cliff offers Desmond coffee that "was fresh two days ago". Two days is the time Agent Cooper spends inside the Red Room in the final episode. When Desmond loses his patience he says "Ok that’s it. I’ve had enough of the waiting room now".

Again, we receive clues to solve mysteries of the show. In addition, the entire Teresa Banks investigation also offers Lynch with opportunities for self-parody, with Deer Meadow as the antithesis of the idyllic Twin Peaks. Instead of a colourful town full of quirky eccentrics, we get a bleak and depressing place this time: a town where the inhabitants are grotesquely ugly (except Sheriff Cable’s secretary, ironically), where the police is decidedly unhelpful, where the FBI has to work with medieval facilities, where the diner is a run-down dump, and where even the coffee tastes bad. Instead of a grand hotel like the Great Northern, Deer Meadow only has the miserable Fat Trout trailer park to boast of. Instead of the most popular girl in town, it is the poor and lonely Teresa who is murdered. No-one knew her, and nobody cares. Deer Meadow just moves on.

The blue rose

A mysterious item which continues to stir up debate on FWMM is the enigmatic blue rose pinned to Lil’s dress. When Desmond explains Lil’s gestures to Stanley he stops at the blue rose and informs Stanley that "he can’t tell him about that". It is unclear whether Desmond cannot explain because he doesn't know or because it is classified. It is the blue rose, however, which leads Desmond to investigate Teresa’s trailer one last time and which ultimately causes his disappearance. In the original script, Agent Cooper has a meeting with Sam Stanley prior to his investigation at Deer Meadow. Stanley tells Cooper he has seen Lil but that Desmond wouldn’t tell him about the blue rose. Cooper replies: "neither will I". The use of the verb "will" implies the information is indeed classified. Later, in Deer Meadow, Cooper seems especially concerned over the fact that the Teresa Banks case is "one of Cole’s blue rose cases".

Traditionally, a blue rose is thought to represent the unattainable. Blue colored roses do not occur naturally and therefore symbolise the supernatural. In Fire Walk with Me, the blue rose may represent the unknown, a supernatural element present in the case. Blue is a colour Lynch often uses to evoke subconscious states and supernatural elements, most prominently in Mulholland Drive, which features a blue key, a blue box, a blue nightclub, and a blue haired lady. In FWWM, we see a blue rose, while Teresa lives inside a blue trailer, and Laura Palmer watches a performance of a song called "Questions in a World of Blue". The blue rose may also literally represent an object in FWWM: the green ring. It is the green ring which remains the unsolved element in Teresa's murder. It is the green ring for which Desmond returns one last time to Fat Trout trailer park, and it is the green ring which ultimately causes his disappearance.

The curious woman

Another mystery regarding the Teresa Banks investigation is the sudden appearance of a woman known as the "curious woman" while Desmond and Stanley are investigating Teresa’s trailer. She peers inside for a moment with a pack of ice on one eye and then leaves. Her arrival inexplicably leaves Carl Rodd in a distraught state. Who is she and what does her visit signify? There's little to go by here, so personally, I believe the curious woman is merely an artistic touch meant to emphasise the desolation of the Fat Trout trailer park. The original script of FWWM features an interesting exchange between Desmond and Stanley along these lines, just when they are ready to depart ways:

Stanley: "One thing that has been troubling me. That lamp at the diner. Do you think they were working on it for esthetic reasons or was their work due to faulty wiring?"
Desmond: "Faulty wiring"

The dialogue brings to mind Cooper’s improvised "autopsy" in the Twin Peaks pilot, which also features a flickering lamp. That defect was unintentional but Lynch kept it in the final version because he "loved the effect". In that sense, the above exchange from Fire Walk With Me seems to be a jab at both people who dismiss Lynch's abstractions as "weirdness for weirdness' sake" and those who over-analyze his work. Sometimes a particular item or character, like the curious woman, may be added purely for esthetical reasons.

Desmond's disappearance

Which brings us finally to the vexed question of Agent Desmond’s disappearance. What happened and where did he go? When Agent Stanley departs for Philadelphia with the body of Teresa Banks, Agent Desmond decides to investigate the Fat Trout trailer park one last time. He is looking for the missing blue rose element in the case. At first, he turns his attention to Deputy Cliff’s trailer, but while standing near a power line with the number 6 written on it, he is suddenly drawn to another nearby trailer (in the script, he sees a hand waving at him from behind the window). He moves over and knocks on the door. No-one answers but right underneath the trailer he finds Teresa’s missing ring on a mound of earth. When he touches the object, the image freezes, and Desmond disappears.

At the exact same moment, Agent Jeffries appears out of nowhere at the Philadelphia FBI headquarters, after having gone missing for two years, and relates his vision of the Lodge meeting. Later, Cooper investigates the spot where Desmond disappeared. At first, his attention is also drawn to Deputy Cliff’s trailer, before he too moves to the spot where Desmond found the ring. The trailer is now gone. Carl Rodd informs Cooper that it belonged to an old woman and her grandson, called Chalfont (most likely the Tremonds). Nearby Cooper finds Desmond’s car with the words "Let’s rock" scrawled on the windshield.

My first theory is that Desmond was simply murdered by Deputy Cliff. In the original script, the animosity between Desmond and Cliff is developed more strongly. There was an additional scene where Desmond interrogates the deputy outside Teresa’s trailer and a fight with Sheriff Cable over the removal of Teresa’s body. Later in the movie, we learn that Cliff may have been trafficking in drugs. Perhaps Cliff felt uneasy about the FBI snooping around and feared that his drug trade might be exposed. The sudden return of Agent Desmond to the trailer park (after the investigation into Teresa's death had ostensibly been closed) must have alarmed him. Perhaps he followed Desmond to the Chalfont trailer. When the Agent bent down to pick up the ring, this was the ideal opportunity for Cliff to deliver the fatal blow...

A second theory still holds that Cliff murdered Desmond but did so as "Mike" (see my entry on the MFAP for a theory on Mike inhabiting Cliff). The green ring is connected most prominently to Mike, who offers it twice to Laura in FWWM (once as the MFAP, a second time as Philip Gerard) and wears the ring as Gerard during the traffic stop scene. The Tremonds usually play a role in directing people to the ring, as they do with Laura (the picture) and Desmond (the trailer). The fact that both Laura and Teresa died not long after wearing the green ring, seems evidence that Desmond perhaps underwent a similar fate. The involvement of Mike is supported by the appearance of the words "Let's rock" on the window of Desmond's car and the mysterious power line nearby. Alternatively, we may omit Cliff being possessed by Mike but still believe that Desmond was killed by Lodge spirits. Lastly, the question remains how the green ring connects to the necklace of Laura Palmer, both of which were found on a mound of earth. In the case of the necklace, Bob seems to have used the jewel as part of a ritual to transfer his spirit from Leland to Laura. But what was the ring used for? Was it used to possess Desmond? And if so, how, and by who?

A third theory holds that, upon touching the green ring, Agent Desmond was transported to either of the two Lodges. The appearance of Jeffries at the exact same moment seems to support the "one in, one out" theory. In that case, Desmond should have reappeared when Cooper entered the Lodge in episode 29. But the whole idea doesn’t quite hold up to scrutiny. If Jeffries was allowed to leave the Lodge because Desmond entered, why did he disappear again not long after? And the fact remains: we never see Agent Desmond again after his disappearance from Deer Meadow. He is never seen inside the Red Room and is not present at the Lodge meeting described by Jeffries.

Therefore, I would lean toward the first theory: Deputy Cliff killed Desmond, and buried the body.

Chester Desmond = Dale Cooper (the dream theory)

A controversial theory, first put forward in issue 60 of Wrapped In Plastic, holds that the entire investigation of Teresa Banks up until the appearance of the "Twin Peaks" sign, is actually a dream of Agent Cooper. In this dream, Cooper relives the investigation of Teresa Banks using the dream identity of Chester Desmond. Evidence to support this theory is found in numerous clues and oddities within the movie, as well as discrepencies between the original scripts and the final filmed version. I have not read the article myself, but will quote liberally from user Coolspringsj's comments, and add my own observations.

PROS: The way Fire Walk with Me was originally conceived, Agent Cooper was to be the investigating agent of Teresa Banks' murder. This was also the case in Dale Cooper's fictional autobiography written by Scott Frost. Due to time constraints and to avoid typecasting, however, Kyle MacLachlan was not available to play the role as originally conceived. His part was drastically cut back and Lynch devised a new character to take over the Deer Meadow investigation: Chester Desmond. The dream theory maintains that this character is actually still Cooper, but a dream-self who is reliving the unsolved case of Teresa Banks.

Several oddities support this theory. To start with, Chester Desmond (CD) and Dale Cooper (DC) share the same initials, reversed. Second, at several points during the investigation, some sort of doubling occurs: Gordon Cole has two different secretaries, there are two agents investigating the case, at Hap's diner the old man asks about "that little girl that was murdered" twice, and finally Sam repeats his comment about "we sure do need a good wake up don't we Desmond" twice. This last sentence is especially interesting in that it seems to be Cooper subconsciously trying to wake up. Following this comment, the scene noticeably starts to meander, with Rodd acting strangely and the curious woman showing up. After a lenghty silence, the dream is resumed properly when Rodd states "See I've already gone places. I'd just like to stay right here". This line, as well as Stanley's, was not in the original script. Interestingly, Desmond and Stanley never go to sleep throughout the entire investigation.

As I've mentioned before, dialogue and actions which take place in Deer Meadow echo dialogue that Agent Cooper hears inside the Red Room in episode 29: Cliff offering coffee that's two days old, Desmond stating he "has enough of the waiting room", and the spilling of the coffee inside Hap's diner. Cooper's dream identity as Desmond finally resolves upon the finding of the green ring, the one missing element Cooper sought but never found. Cooper then returns as the main protagonist of his dream. Upon investigating the "disappearance" of Agent Desmond, he finds the words "let's rock" on the window of Desmond's car. Again, we see dialogue originating from the Red Room.

Following Desmond's disappearance one of the most perplexing sequences in all of FWWM takes place: the appearance of Philip Jeffries at the Philadelphia office of the FBI. Prior to Jeffries' arrival, Cooper informs Gordon Cole that he "is worried because of the dream I told you about". Is he referring to his own dream at that moment? Cooper moves to a surveillance room, stares intently at the camera screen, and then suddenly sees Jeffries emerging behind his back in the hallway (again we see the doubling motif). Jeffries stumbles into the office and Gordon informs us that he has been missing for nearly two years.

When Jeffries is first confronted with Cooper his expression notably changes to one of (fearful) recognition, despite the fact that Gordon has only just introduced Jeffries to Cooper. But when Jeffries catches sight of Cooper he suddenly states they're "not gonna talk about Judy". He then points at Cooper and shouts "who do you think this is there?" The dream theory states that Jeffries' exclamation refers to Cooper being "the dreamer". He then proceeds to narrate his vision of the Lodge meeting, interspersed with various random statements, at one point literaly saying "it was a dream. we live inside a dream".

Is Jeffries real or a construct of Cooper's mind like Desmond? The dream theory argues the former. From the show, we know that it is possible for two people share dreams in a physical sense, even when the dreamers dream days or weeks apart from each other. In season 2, Cooper learns that several days prior Laura's death, she dreamt the same dream as Cooper in episode 1.02. Likewise then, Jeffries and Cooper cross each other's dream in the Philadelphia scene. In both instances, the cross-over is made possible through the timeless Lodge dimension. It is during this entire sequence that Cooper learns to significance and danger of the green ring, which enables him to warn Laura later during FWWM.

Apart from that, it can also be argued that the Jeffries scene is simply too "out there" to be part of reality. Even Albert, ever the skeptic on the show, seems largely unfazed by Jeffries' bizarre disappearance. This behavour is not consistent with the Albert during the series.

Lastly, if true, the dream theory would fit with the facts established in Cooper's autobiography. He did investigate Teresa Banks' murder but in FWWM he relives the experience under the guise of his dream alter-ego Chester Desmond. A lot of thought obviously went into creating a completely cohesive universe.

CONS: A small but significant detail during Desmond's discovery of the green ring actually argues against the dream theory: the mound of dirt. The mound too clearly implies a connection to the necklace of Laura Palmer, BUT if the scene is indeed a construct of Cooper's mind, it would imply advance knowledge of the crime scene of Laura Palmer's murder, which he doesn't investigate until a year after. This knowledge could not have been gained through Lodge visits (or do memories work backwards too?) because Laura's death takes place in the real world, NOT in the timeless Lodge dimension.

The line "who do you think this is here" was already in the script before the story may have been altered to become a dream. Therefore, the line must allude to something else entirely (probably Judy). But this issue highlights a larger problem of FWWM interpretations: how much of the original script (or draft) can we accept as evidence to support (or discount) the dream theory? A lot of the scenes which didn't make it to the screen actually were filmed. But it's probably impossible to say when they were cut 1) to reduce running time, or 2) to fit Lynch's dream narrative.

Also, it is true that Desmond is never seen or commented upon again after his disappearance, which is odd, but not entirely improbable given the fact that he has little to do with the plot taking place in Twin Peaks anyway. The same applies to Jeffries and a host of other characters which are introduced in the movie and then never seen again, such as Norma, Shelly, Harold,... Obviously these characters are familiar to anyone who has seen the show but to an uneducated viewer, the presence of these people must be a complete mystery. Perhaps we're giving Lynch more credit than he deserves, seeing complexities in what is merely bad writing or editing...

In summary, it's interesting to note how the evidence of Deer Meadow can be adduced to plausibly argue any of the following four theories:

* That Lynch is merely planting clues to solve mysteries on the show
* That Deputy Cliff is inhabited by the MFAP / Mike
* That the entire sequence is a dream
* That Lynch should have hired a better editor


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2. Monday, August 18, 2008 10:08 AM
coolspringsj RE: Black Lodge Encyclopedia - Agent Desmond


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Never thought about Cliff killing Desmond.  Will have to study this theory further.

Sourdust, if you haven't read it, there is an awesome Deer Meadow Sequence is a Dream theory (whether you believe it or not) in WIP 60 that is highly recommended reading.

Also cool about the one in, one out of the Lodge possibility.


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
3. Monday, August 18, 2008 10:58 AM
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What is WIP 60? Can I find this article somewhere on the internet?


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4. Monday, August 18, 2008 1:33 PM
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Thanks, Sourdust.

 You just can't resist writing these can you. After you said you were gonna stop.

 
5. Monday, August 18, 2008 11:09 AM
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QUOTE:What is WIP 60? Can I find this article somewhere on the internet?

 It's Wrapped in Plastic Issue #60, a TP magazine.  Google wrapped in plastic and you can order it off their spectrum website.  I believe it is only 6.00 dollars. It is a very detailed explanation as to why the editors believe the whole Deer Meadow sequence is Agent Cooper's dream and goes into minute details.  Whether you agree or not, it makes you watch FWWM the next time with a different insight.  Highly recommend along with all of their other TP mags.


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
6. Monday, August 18, 2008 1:02 PM
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Hmm, from the bits and pieces I could gather, it seems interesting. For one, it would explain why Desmond and Stanley never go to sleep during the entire investigation...

But there's something that seems out of place to me: if Cooper is really imagining himself to be Chester Desmond, why would he later return to Deer Meadow to investigate his own disappearance? Even if it was a dream, that wouldn't make sense...

I've yet to see a "grand unifying theory" that is completely convincing either, and I don't think anyone will ever come up with one, chiefly because of the following problems:

* the multitude of obscure and unsolved mysteries (Judy, Jumping Man, Jeffries,...)
* the difficulty to establish what's canon and what's not
* information which was retconned not only within the show, but also between the show and FWWM
* discrepancies between the scripts and the final product
* the difficulty to distinguish between information that is supposed to be meaningful, and that which is purely esthetical


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7. Monday, August 18, 2008 12:45 PM
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QUOTE:

Hmm, from the bits and pieces I could gather, it seems interesting. For one, it would explain why Desmond and Stanley never go to sleep during the entire investigation...

But there's something that seems out of place to me: if Cooper is really imagining himself to be Chester Desmond, why would he later return to Deer Meadow to investigate his own disappearance? Even if it was a dream, that wouldn't make sense...

I've yet to see a "grand unifying theory" that is completely convincing, and I don't think anyone will ever come up with one.  

I would have to go back and read the 10 page article because I read it a long time ago.  There were tons of details presented to back up this possible explanation.  I remember how they kept saying everything was doubled - the Shinola man asks if they knew Teresa Banks twice, Sam says we do need a good wake me up twice (lots of references to sleeping), Chet Desmonds initials are Dale Cooper's backwards, two secretaries in Gordon Cole's office, two FBI agents investigating, something about Jack talking about Irene referencing a song Goodnight Irene - there are a lot more details involved which I don't do the article justice. 
 


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
8. Monday, August 18, 2008 12:49 PM
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Another great post Sourdust! Thanks. I really really hope you pick up a copy of Wrapped In Plastic #60. The article is not online. Here is the link to order:

http://spectrummagazines.bizland.com/wip41to60.chtml

The article argues that the 'Deer Meadow' sequence is in fact a dream of Cooper's. The line "I've had enough of the Waiting Room" has always fascinated me, however, it seemed more like something Cooper would say. To be continued... 

 

 


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9. Monday, August 18, 2008 3:53 PM
coolspringsj RE: Black Lodge Encyclopedia - Agent Desmond


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QUOTE:

Hmm, from the bits and pieces I could gather, it seems interesting. For one, it would explain why Desmond and Stanley never go to sleep during the entire investigation...

But there's something that seems out of place to me: if Cooper is really imagining himself to be Chester Desmond, why would he later return to Deer Meadow to investigate his own disappearance? Even if it was a dream, that wouldn't make sense...

I've yet to see a "grand unifying theory" that is completely convincing either, and I don't think anyone will ever come up with one, chiefly because of the following problems:

* the multitude of obscure and unsolved mysteries (Judy, Jumping Man, Jeffries,...)
* the difficulty to establish what's canon and what's not
* information which was retconned not only within the show, but also between the show and FWWM
* discrepancies between the scripts and the final product
* the difficulty to distinguish between information that is supposed to be meaningful, and that which is purely esthetical

David Lynch initially wanted Kyle MacLachlan to be the investigating agent in the Deer Meadow portion of the film, but he couldn't due to other obligations and potential typecasting or something along those lines.  I believe WIP brings up how Lynch tried to bring Episode 29 and FWWM more back to his original vision of what he thought Twin Peaks and all of its mysteries represent and that even though he had to use a different actor Chris Isaak, he could still tell the same story but with his own unique touch.  A beautiful accident, kinda like Frank Silva on the Pilot set, etc, etc.
 


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
10. Tuesday, August 19, 2008 3:52 AM
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The entire Deer Meadow investigation is probably my favourite part of FWWM. I actually wish we got to see more of Agent Desmond and Stanley. The Twin Peaks stuff is also interesting but in a way familiar territory, and ultimately not much more than a foregone conclusion towards Laura's doom.

I also wish Badalamenti and Lynch would release some of the additional music from FWWM, such as Deer Meadow Shuffle, and the weird, backwards noises heard during Teresa's autopsy.


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11. Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:44 AM
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It's been a while since I watched FWWM but after Philip Jeffries disappears doesn't Gordon Cole say "And what happened to Chester Desmond?" If so, Chester Desmond must have existed. The only dis-continuity is that in Dale Cooper's autobiography he is the agent sent to investigate the Teresa Banks murder, not Chester Desmond.

 
12. Tuesday, August 19, 2008 2:23 PM
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The entire dream is Deer Meadow, the Philip Jeffries scene in the FBI office in Philly, and Cooper retracing Desmond's steps, along with his dictation to Diane by Wind River.  When you first see Laura walking down the sidewalk in Twin Peaks, that is where reality begins and the dreamworld ends.

In Laura's dream in FWWM, she is standing in her bedroom and sees herself in the painting.  Then she "wakes up" only to still be dreaming and have Annie give her a message about Cooper being in the Lodge.

In Cooper's dream in Philly, he sees himself standing in the hall in front of the camera monitor.  Then Phillip Jeffries shows up and says, do you know who this is? (pointing at Cooper the dreamer or only referencing his future BOB possession?) and says We live inside a dream(Whose dream?).  Jeffries has entered Cooper's dream via the Lodge spirit world to give him info about this world and most importantly the Owl Cave ring.  The Owl Cave ring could be the Blue Rose (which could also be the now deceased once blossoming blue body wrapped in plastic of Laura Palmer).  The Deer Meadow prologue is how Cooper learned to tell Laura to not take the ring.  The ring is what connects the Deer Meadow and Twin Peaks sections of FWWM.

Desmond disappears when he reaches for the Owl Cave ring on the mound of dirt because he fails to solve the mystery.  Cooper has no more use for this idealized dream form of himself so in the rest of the dream he is Cooper.

The static in the Jeffries scene can be viewed as static created in Cooper's mind at trying to process this outlandish Lodge dimension.

Lynch changed the original script to a new version which had Sam say to Desmond - we sure do need a good wake me up twice.  Wasn't in the original "Cooper investigating Banks case instead of Desmond" Script.

The Blue Rose was also not in the original script, only in Desmond's.

The wake me up twice line was Cooper's subconscious mind trying to wake him up, but Rodd starts acting strange saying I've already gone places, I just want to stay right here.  This is Cooper's dream or spirits within the dream guiding Cooper to not wake up because he hasn't learned about the Owl Cave ring yet.

I also forgot this.  Sourdust, your Mike possessed Deputy Cliff theory and killed Desmond gives new meaning to the Laura/Bobby/Cliff drug deal scene in the woods when Ms. Gifted or Damned herself Laura says to Bobby, You killed Mike! The spirit Mike! Oooooh, creepy, I love it!

Also interesting at the time Lynch said FWWM was his most experimental film yet, whatever he means by that could be interesting as far as the dream narrative.

Cooper really did investigate Deer Meadow with Sam according to this theory and in the Scott Frost Cooper book Cooper investigated this case as well.

Another strange thing is Albert seeing Jeffries and not reacting in amazement conflicts with his more grounded factual reasonable approach to the Palmer case later.  The real Albert in the series said stuff like Has anyone seen BOB on planet earth lately? He was a realist and the only way his actions make sense in the Philly office according to his character would be for it to be a dream. In Lynch's original Cooper script where it WASN'T a dream, he had the Philly scene made where specifically Albert is the only character that doesn't see Jeffries disappear.  Interesting, huh?

After the Sam wake me up line twice, the scene in Teresa Banks trailer becomes totally fragmented like a dream when Rodd starts babbling and the curious woman show up and Desmond doesn't ask about either of these things.  The scene just ends in the middle of the scene because of Cooper's subconscious mind trying to wake.

In the car ride with Desmond and Stanley, Desmond says he CAN'T tell Sam about the Blue Rose, not that he WON'T.  He CAN'T because he doesn't know what it means either!

Most of Cooper's lines from the original script and Desmond's script are exactly the same.


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
13. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 4:49 AM
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Thank you coolspringsj - Your narrative has really made things a lot clearer - tonight I will watch FWWM with a new understanding.

 
14. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 5:47 AM
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QUOTE:  original "Cooper investigating Banks case instead of Desmond" Script.

 Is that available online (or anywhere)? I've only ever seen the shooting script with Desmond investigating.


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15. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:34 AM
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QUOTE:Thank you coolspringsj - Your narrative has really made things a lot clearer - tonight I will watch FWWM with a new understanding.


 Thank the editors of WIP Craig and John, not me.  I was just giving a cliff notes version of what I recall from reading the fascinating article.  Pick it up if you want more detail and a more coherent explanation:)

I am not aware of the original Cooper script being online, only the Desmond script.

Also, in WIP 75, I read the song Goodnight Irene is referenced in a coded way with Jack talking about her name is Irene and it is night and there is nothing good about it.  Also some song called Where or When(?) is referenced when Cooper is dictating to Diane by Wind River - as the song goes, who knows where or when.  Both of these songs lyrics are listed in this issue and the lyrics are chilling in their direct references to dream imagery and how they perfectly work in the narrative of the FWWM Deer Meadow prologue.

 

Sourdust, the dream theory absolutely warrants an inclusion on the Chet Desmond page with their being such a detailed theory out there about a character who doesn't even potentially exist!


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
16. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 8:54 AM
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Sourdust, the dream theory absolutely warrants an inclusion on the Chet Desmond page with their being such a detailed theory out there about a character who doesn't even potentially exist!

It's already partially done. Check the original post :)


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17. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 9:43 AM
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Sourdust, the dream theory absolutely warrants an inclusion on the Chet Desmond page with their being such a detailed theory out there about a character who doesn't even potentially exist!

It's already partially done. Check the original post :)


 I just read it, my bad!

I also added stuff to my original long post that may be important, especially Albert's behavior and a couple of song references.  I'm not saying this is the be all, end all theory, but it sure is captivating!

I also get confused about the hierarchy of the Red Room because I always think of BOB as the Big Bad, yet Mike joined with his arm the LMFAP makes BOB submit to him in FWWM and give them his garmonbozia.  So in a continuation would Mike be the only one capable of defeating BOB, not any humans like Cooper?


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
18. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:01 AM
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Another great post Sourdust! Thanks. I really really hope you pick up a copy of Wrapped In Plastic #60. The article is not online. Here is the link to order:

http://spectrummagazines.bizland.com/wip41to60.chtml

The article argues that the 'Deer Meadow' sequence is in fact a dream of Cooper's. The line "I've had enough of the Waiting Room" has always fascinated me, however, it seemed more like something Cooper would say. To be continued... 

 

 

 

Thanks for posting the link.  I just ordered one....the Deer Meadows Dream Theory is fascinating...
 


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19. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:11 AM
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I sound like a freakin' WIP sales rep, Sourdust, but you especially would love quite a lot of their issues.  Highly, highly recommended.  Browse the other issues on their site as well.  I believe issues 53 and 54 have huge articles detailing Cooper's Red Room journey in the series finale and also what the Red Room as a whole itself actually means.  Also check out any WIP issues that have the Unseen Twin Peaks - detailed script analysis of the scenes which didn't make it into the final TV episode.


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
20. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:17 AM
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Another great post Sourdust! Thanks. I really really hope you pick up a copy of Wrapped In Plastic #60. The article is not online. Here is the link to order:

http://spectrummagazines.bizland.com/wip41to60.chtml

The article argues that the 'Deer Meadow' sequence is in fact a dream of Cooper's. The line "I've had enough of the Waiting Room" has always fascinated me, however, it seemed more like something Cooper would say. To be continued...

 

 

 

Thanks for posting the link. I just ordered one....the Deer Meadows Dream Theory is fascinating...

 

You are very welcome Pineweasel. I think anyone who has an interest in FWWM should own that issue. Here is what John Thorne (WIP editor) had to say about the article when I interviewed him:

 

Twin Peaks Archive: Was there an article that divided fans the most?

John Thorne: Oh yeah. The essay (which I wrote) arguing that the first 30 minutes of FWWM (the Deer Meadow prologue) was entirely a dream of Dale Cooper. I think there is overwhelming evidence to support this and I also think this interpretation makes the film a stronger, more cohesive work. But, wow, were there people who disagreed with that one! Some people were downright mad! Many accused us of overanalyzing the film. What's odd is we never said that the dream interpretation was the "only" way of viewing the film and that all competing theories were wrong. We just felt strongly that the dream idea allowed a new and deeper way of viewing the film. (But judging from some reactions you'd think we kicked someone's pet dog.)



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21. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 10:22 AM
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QUOTE:I sound like a freakin' WIP sales rep, Sourdust, but you especially would love quite a lot of their issues.  Highly, highly recommended.  Browse the other issues on their site as well.  I believe issues 53 and 54 have huge articles detailing Cooper's Red Room journey in the series finale and also what the Red Room as a whole itself actually means.  Also check out any WIP issues that have the Unseen Twin Peaks - detailed script analysis of the scenes which didn't make it into the final TV episode.

 And thanks for that info too CoolSpringsJ!  I cant' afford to buy all the issues so it's good to know which ones have the "best" stuff in them.


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22. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 2:35 PM
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Another great post Sourdust! Thanks. I really really hope you pick up a copy of Wrapped In Plastic #60. The article is not online. Here is the link to order:

http://spectrummagazines.bizland.com/wip41to60.chtml

The article argues that the 'Deer Meadow' sequence is in fact a dream of Cooper's. The line "I've had enough of the Waiting Room" has always fascinated me, however, it seemed more like something Cooper would say. To be continued...

 

 

 

Thanks for posting the link. I just ordered one....the Deer Meadows Dream Theory is fascinating...

 

You are very welcome Pineweasel. I think anyone who has an interest in FWWM should own that issue. Here is what John Thorne (WIP editor) had to say about the article when I interviewed him:

 

Twin Peaks Archive: Was there an article that divided fans the most?

John Thorne: Oh yeah. The essay (which I wrote) arguing that the first 30 minutes of FWWM (the Deer Meadow prologue) was entirely a dream of Dale Cooper. I think there is overwhelming evidence to support this and I also think this interpretation makes the film a stronger, more cohesive work. But, wow, were there people who disagreed with that one! Some people were downright mad! Many accused us of overanalyzing the film. What's odd is we never said that the dream interpretation was the "only" way of viewing the film and that all competing theories were wrong. We just felt strongly that the dream idea allowed a new and deeper way of viewing the film. (But judging from some reactions you'd think we kicked someone's pet dog.)



 Too funny! 

I always thought something was "different" about with the Deer Meadows/Fat Trout Trailer Park/Philly scenes but I couldn't put my finger on it....the freeze-frame of Agent Desmond dissapearing, the super-imposed shot of Agent Cooper on the monitor while he's looking at it, and others that don't come to mind right now. 

 I've read the script (along with the missing scenes) and it answered some questions and shed light on some of the dialogue but I can't wait to get my hands on the WIP issue!


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23. Wednesday, August 20, 2008 12:46 PM
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I've yet to see a "grand unifying theory"


 It's only because you're not practicing TM.

 
24. Friday, August 22, 2008 9:36 AM
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On a semi-unrelated note, I saw Mr. Chester Desmond himself on tour at the Ryman Auditorium in Nashville, Tennessee, on his Speak of the Devil Tour back in the dizzle.  Very, very cool.


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25. Sunday, August 24, 2008 3:04 AM
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I've further fleshed out the dream theory in the original post. If anyone has more thoughts to add (could be evidence for or against), please do so!


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