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1. Monday, April 28, 2008 3:02 PM
MisterGrey Random Musings


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I apologize if any of the following ideas have already been postulated/discussed at length before; I've been through the boards fairly thoroughly, and haven't seen anyone else offer them.

 

1) Ben Horne was meant for great things.

 

Everytime Ben tries to do something bad, it ultimately ends up backfiring; something seems to want to keep blood off of his hands:

A) Andrew Packard found out about the plan to kill him and faked his own death.

B) Leo Johnson and Catherine both survived Ben's attempts to have them killed.

C) Hank was caught by Jean Renault before he could kill Cooper/interfere in Audrey's rescue.

Someone on the IMDB message boards had the idea that the Great Northern would play an important role in the Lodge story arcs: The appearance of Bob and MFAP there after Josie's death is unique in the series. This person's idea went that the Great Northern could act as a kind of lure/homing beacon for Black/White Lodge spirits, and possibly be used to trap them (taking into account Josie's imprisonment in the wood). If this holds any water, then someone had to give the Hotel this power... I don't think that Ben's home movies of his dad were simply put in the show to demonstrate how far Ben had fallen. I think it's possible that Ben's dad knew about the Lodges, and was an agent for the White Lodge-- and that Ben was ultimately fated to follow in his footsteps.

 

2) Hank was possessed.

Sheriff Truman tells us that he and Hank were once good friends, and that Hank was one of the best of the Bookhouse Boys. We're never given an answer as to what spurred him to become a creepy hick killer-for-hire. However, in the show, we do see several glimpses of otherwise good people becoming bad without apparent reason-- and it always involved the Lodges.

 
2. Monday, April 28, 2008 5:39 PM
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I agree that the Great Northern was tied up in the supernatural whether it be the Lodges or whatever you want to call it. The shot after Philip Gerard has been tied up and not given his drugs and he gives a clue and Cooper utters "The Great Northern!" and there is an image of the place as the lightning strikes. It's fairly cliched but works really effectively. Also, Ben's Home videos being in the credits gave them a real extra importance that I couldn't place until your post.

 
3. Monday, April 28, 2008 9:22 PM
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Something else to consider is Ben Horne's breakdown, and how the show repeatedly ties mental illness to spirit possession and the lodges:

1) Leland's behavior while possessed is written off by different characters as insanity

2) Philip Gerard takes halperidol to drive away Mike; halperidol is a drug used to treat schizophrenia

3) Windom Earle, whose precarious mental state is debated by Cooper throughout several episodes, apparently suffers from some form of psychosis

Following the whole "arrested for Laura's murder debacle," Ben goes through a period of mental illness that immediately precedes his attempts to "be good."

Kinda sorta related-- really another observation entirely-- consider that mental illness seems to run in Ben Horne's blood:

A) Ben repeatedly tries to murder people in the pursuit of financial gain; later, he enters a deep depression, suffers a nervous breakdown, and believes himself to be fighting the Civil War

B) Audrey Horne, at the beginning of Season 1, demonstrates a great deal of behavior that would lead one to believe that she's at the very least, "disturbed"

C) Johnny Horne-- 'nuff said.

D) Jerry Horne seems to be a grade-A psychopath, especially in his scene with Blackie.

 
4. Tuesday, April 29, 2008 12:52 PM
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QUOTE:

I apologize if any of the following ideas have already been postulated/discussed at length before; I've been through the boards fairly thoroughly, and haven't seen anyone else offer them.

Don't apologize, please.  The worse that would happen if a topic you brought up was a popular one would be that one of us old-timers would tease you. 

 
5. Tuesday, April 29, 2008 3:09 PM
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I'm not trying to be a downer -but the examples of Ben's attempts backfiring are more based on this being a television show and it supplies the drama.  It's not about Ben's attempts failing as much as it is he's the heavy and sets up the danger obsticles for the heros. 

His attempt on Cooper's life is going to fail because first we need danger for the hero, and someone to set that up; the series is not going to kill off Cooper and Audrey, but keep setting up life-threatening scenarios for them.

Leo and Catherine not being killed off is because they were needed for the series, etc.

Does that make sense?

Interesting theory about the Lodge and one I was quick to shoot down.  The Lodge I'm sure was never thought of initially in the first season, and was developed when they began brainstorming about follow-up mysteries to replace Laura Palmer.  BUT the Great Northern breaking soil film was written in the beginning of the Black Lodge mystery -so it is possible.  Frost's vision of the Black Lodge was a deranged version of the Great Northern in his original script for the finale -so it is entirely possible.   Ben and Audrey had mirrored Leland and Laura, so his breakdown and follow-up story could have had roots in it. I'm open to this.

 
6. Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:00 PM
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I like this thread a lot because it's pretty original, and posits interesting theories I haven't heard before, but I think the concept that Hanks, and other "good people" who become "bad people" were possessed is totally inaccurate, and cheapens the complex themes of the show. I have always had issues with the presence of possession in the show at all, though it sets up the brilliant ending, because it's an easy way to explain/cheapen Lynch's major themes. For Lynch there aren't any good or bad people, evil is present in everyone, even the seemingly innocent Jeffrey Beaumont or Dale Cooper. Goodness is present in everyone too though, even the scumbag Benjamin Horne, or the twisted Diane. "Bad" people are only those who completely succumb to evil. Thus people who on the outside seem as different as Jeffrey Beaumont and Frank Booth are actually very similar. In Twin Peaks many "good" people succumb to evil, or those who seem innocent turn out to not be innocent at all. It's an entirely human element, dealing with man's eternal struggle against evil. It's a choice, not a supernatural "possession" which is forced on them.


That god damn trailer's more popular than Uncle's Day in a whorehouse!

 
7. Tuesday, April 29, 2008 4:25 PM
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QUOTE: I have always had issues with the presence of possession in the show at all, though it sets up the brilliant ending, because it's an easy way to explain/cheapen Lynch's major themes.
But it's still there, and it's not just Leland.

 
8. Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:36 PM
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It's there, but watching FWWM and episode 14... I say it's more of a simple metaphor to help newcomers grasp Lynch's themes then the mythologized "possession" the writers of episode 16 try to turn it into. Lynch handles it very differently from everyone else, especially in Fire Walk With Me, kind of his last word on the subject. It doesn't mean that Josie, Catherine, Pete, Ben, Leo, or anyone else who ever is uncharacteristically (or characteristically) nasty is possessed. Even if you look at the situation literally, there's no evidence that anyone besides Leland, Cooper, and (briefly) Windham Earle is ever possessed, nor that there are Lodge spirits besides BOB who possess people.


That god damn trailer's more popular than Uncle's Day in a whorehouse!

 
9. Tuesday, April 29, 2008 7:44 PM
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There's the one armed man.

 
10. Wednesday, April 30, 2008 3:14 AM
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Someone a few weeks back was talking about Twin Peaks canon, and how the books don't fit into that, but it seems, reading a lot of members' posts, that some actual episodes don't fit into the 'canon', especially if they were non-Lynch directed. Oh, and LWAPOM, who is the twisted Diane? probably a stupid question but...

 
11. Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:10 AM
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Haha, sorry wasn't being very clear there. I was referring to Mulholland Dr.


That god damn trailer's more popular than Uncle's Day in a whorehouse!

 
12. Wednesday, April 30, 2008 7:58 AM
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QUOTE:Haha, sorry wasn't being very clear there. I was referring to Mulholland Dr.

 Oh yeah, damn, I thought you knew something I didn't about Coop's confidante.

 

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