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1. Sunday, March 9, 2008 10:15 AM
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British home-cooking 'is becoming extinct'


Last Updated: 2:13am GMT 08/03/2008

Traditional British dishes such as toad in the hole and spotted dick could disappear from dining tables by 2021 as households increasingly turn to foreign cuisine, it has been claimed.

New research shows that Britons rarely make dishes such as steak and kidney pie or jam roly-poly from scratch any more, and are far more likely to cook curries and pasta meals from recipes.

The survey by Tesco found that only five per cent of 18-40-year-olds had cooked a spotted dick, compared to 14 per cent of 41-55-year-olds.Simlarly, six per cent of the younger group had made a Beef Wellington compared to 15 per cent of the over-40s.

Tesco claims that the five above dishes - as well as coronation chicken, sherry trifle and Lancashire hot pot - are prepared so infrequently that they could disappear completely by 2021.

Foreign dishes, however, are thriving. For instance, 71 per cent and 62 per cent of under-40s had made spaghetti bolognese or curry, respectively.

The research has prompted Tesco to publish a list of "endangered" recipes on its website. Mandy Minichiello, of Tesco.com, said: "It would be a tragedy if these treasures of our culinary heritage are lost forever."

Simon Coombes, of the Pudding Club, a group that promotes British puddings, said: "Traditional British meals and puddings are hugely important as comfort food and as an indulgence."
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Doesn't sound that bad. Traditional British food for the most part sounds like something a 5 year old would come up with to gross someone out. Snot soup, anyone?

 
2. Sunday, March 9, 2008 10:44 AM
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Then you've also probably heard that the Neo-Italians are seriously considering banning garlic from their native dishes?

This new generation! The Italian Foodies believe that garlic was traditionally used by the peasants to kill the flavor of rancid meat and since they have advanced so far in their cuisine, they no longer appreciate the association of garlic = Italian food.

As for English food, I still include in my American repertoire a yummy Shepherd's Pie and regularly order Bangers at the a nearby pub. Please don't say it's over.

Here in the US and A, there is a food style known by that curiously American moniker "nouvelle cuisine" and it might look like this main course from a Prix Fixe menu. This so cracked me up, I had to take a photo. Tasted good but check out the proportions.f

 

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3. Sunday, March 9, 2008 11:02 AM
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As part British, I think I'm qualified to make the assumption that there's a reason why there are about a million Indian restaurants in London.

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4. Sunday, March 9, 2008 11:03 AM
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Here in the US and A, there is a food style known by that curiously American moniker "nouvelle cuisine" and it might look like this main course from a Prix Fixe menu. This so cracked me up, I had to take a photo. Tasted good but check out the proportions.

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/02/080215103153.htm

 
5. Sunday, March 9, 2008 1:23 PM
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It's about time! I love the English, but their cuisine gives their national character a bad name. My college frequently does study abroad programs in London and everyone says students lose about 10lbs on average because the food is so revolting.  'Boil it til it's flavorless mush,' isn't that pretty much the cookbook? Or is that the Irish? 

 
6. Sunday, March 9, 2008 5:30 PM
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and everyone says students lose about 10lbs on average because the food is so revolting.

Oi! This food tastes like arse, you gobshite. I'm going out for a kebab!

 
7. Sunday, March 9, 2008 5:54 PM
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I love the English, but their cuisine gives their national character a bad name.


Far be it from me to stick up for my oppressive imperialist neighbours, but didn't you people give us the big mac ?


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8. Sunday, March 9, 2008 8:36 PM
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QUOTE:Far be it from me to stick up for my oppressive imperialist neighbours, but didn't you people give us the big mac ?
Yeah, but Mac is Irish. The US just put 500 calories in it.

 
9. Sunday, March 9, 2008 8:53 PM
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I love the English, but their cuisine gives their national character a bad name.


Far be it from me to stick up for my oppressive imperialist neighbours, but didn't you people give us the big mac ?

 

And they taste pretty damn good, don't they? Ah, that's what they get for not giving us our religious freedom way back when. If we're the most powerful country in the world, by god we earned it.

 

 
10. Sunday, March 9, 2008 8:58 PM
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Maybe I'm the only one that missed it, but the first line in the article leads to a wonderful double entendre.
My wife had toad in the hole and I got spotted dick.

 
11. Monday, March 10, 2008 1:18 AM
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It's about time! I love the English, but their cuisine gives their national character a bad name. My college frequently does study abroad programs in London and everyone says students lose about 10lbs on average because the food is so revolting. 'Boil it til it's flavorless mush,' isn't that pretty much the cookbook? Or is that the Irish?

I do find the taste of the flavourless mush I cook tends to improve if I remember to wear my bowler hat at the same time. 



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12. Monday, March 10, 2008 2:16 AM
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Good one Flange!!

 

Anyways, This is the first time I ever hear of anyone loosing weight going to England. Who else than an American can do that?!

 

 
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13. Monday, March 10, 2008 10:18 AM
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My friend and neighbor, the travel agent, likes to book trips to China with a final leg in Hong Kong so they can finally eat heartily again after enduring authentic Chinese food.   Even English cuisine would be welcome after trying to sup on such delicacies as Dirty Turtle Soup.  Yes, it's fresh.  It's prepared on the deck of a river boat traversing the Yellow River, as barefooted squatting "chefs" whack away at live amphibians, before chopping them up and mixing turtle meat with a thin broth. They make an effort to remove all remnants of shell.  FEH. Room service at Hong Kong's Peninsula never sounds as good!  In fact, toad in hole or spotted dick sound yummy by comparison. 

But seriously, is the reputation of Irish food substantially superior to that of its imperialist invaders?

Susan 

 

 


     
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14. Monday, March 10, 2008 1:35 PM
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But seriously, is the reputation of Irish food substantially superior to that of its imperialist invaders?

Susan

 


You can't beat a bowl of hot Irish stew on a winters day. Warms the cockles before a long night of rioting and general insurgency against the tripe munching ninnies from next door


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15. Monday, March 10, 2008 1:38 PM
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But seriously, is the reputation of Irish food substantially superior to that of its imperialist invaders?

It's got to be better than this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Faggot_(food)

 
16. Monday, March 10, 2008 4:49 PM
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I find a good portion of the stuff that I cook is British.  Some of my favorites being Irish stew...Shepard's Pie *which usually gets made at least once a month)...Queen of Puddings...Toad in a Hole...lots of different breads...chips (nice and thick with some vinegar and sea salt)...2/3 of my cookbooks are British! :D I can't wait to get over there--going to eat and eat and eat...REAL British chips in newspaper and everything...:P LOL


 
17. Monday, March 10, 2008 5:06 PM
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QUOTE:I find a good portion of the stuff that I cook is British. Some of my favorites being Irish stew...

Uh, oh. [bracing myself for James' Irish retort...]

Don't forget trifle, Rocky, another English fave. Yum!!!

Booth, how did you guess what I'm having for dinner tonight!  Mmmmmm...

Mr Brain's faggots
Mr Brain's faggots

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18. Monday, March 10, 2008 8:22 PM
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Booth, how did you guess what I'm having for dinner tonight! Mmmmmm...

Mr Brain's faggots
Mr Brain's faggots
Duh-nuh-nuh-nuh *snap* *snap* duh-nuh-nuh-nuh *snap* *snap*

 
19. Monday, March 10, 2008 8:48 PM
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You're right, Susan...Irish stew was mentioned earlier in the post...must have got it from there.  Apologies.  Trifle...never made it nor eaten it...gonna have to give that a whirl.


 
20. Monday, March 10, 2008 10:21 PM
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I've only had trifle in England so I can't imagine it being properly made here in the colonies unless by a native. Here's a little recipe beginning with a lovely photo of the finished dish. How beautiful is that! The glass bowl is essential so you can see the layers. Oh, please do make one, Rocky, and let me know how it turns out. (btw, this is NOT my recipe or my photos!)

How can a country who created such a fantastic dish be mocked for its cuisine, I ask you?

Imbb8finishedtrifle

Ten years ago I attended a cooking class on custards. Custards, you see, are my favorite food. If it's got eggs, sugar, and milk or cream, I'm all for it. Creme brulee, flans, custards, bread puddings — bring it on, baby! The piece de resistance of the class was this trifle. I was so impressed that I immediately bought the glass bowl and 8" round cake pans. I wanted to make it as the center piece of our Holiday Party dessert table. In fact, I didn't buy just any glass trifle bowl. I bought the glass bowl used for the class. It came with half a trifle, after all. (the other half having been served out to the attendees) How could I resist?

So yes, I bought a glass bowl for the sole purpose of making a trifle exactly once a year. (Okay, this year it gets used twice.) For the last ten years, I've been making this trifle for our annual Holiday Party. In this glass bowl.

(I also own a lot of kitchenware that hasn't been used in many years, but that's a different issue.)

This trife takes two days to make. And it's worth it! I promise. Don't be scared off! I always make it from scratch. I never buy pre-made cakes or curds or custards. Never. You can, if you like, but if you do, then don't claim that you made this trifle.

Trifle Attack Plan
Day 1: cook the various parts: cake, custard, lemon curd. Assemble trifle if you can so it can chill overnight.

Day 2: Assemble trifle, if not done the previous day. Chill it for 6-12 hours. Finish the top layer and garnish.

I will start with the assembling instructions first followed by the recipes for the individual parts.

Assembling the Trifle
1 recipe Basic Stirred Custard (around 3 cups)
1 recipe lemon curd (around 2 cups)
pound cake or sponge cake in 8" rounds
6 Cups mixed berries (raspberries, strawberries, blueberries)
1/4 cup sugar
1/2 cup sherry
1/4 cup brandy or cognac
whipped cream
fresh berries and mint for garnish
1 trifle bowl (mine is 8" wide) or a 2.5 quart bowl or 6-8 individual bowls

My trifle has up to six layers. The one I did for IMBB has four layers because I used rather thick layers of berries.

1) Lightly season the berries with the sugar. Frozen berries thawed out will make for a "wetter" trifle; fresh berries will make for a "drier" trifle.

2) Cut cake into 1/4 to 1/2 inch thick slices. (See cake recipe for additional tips.)

3) Combine sherry and brandy.

4) Bottom layer: Spoon a thin layer (1/4 inch) of lemon curd on the bottom. Top with a thin layer of custard (1/4 to 1/2 inch). Add a cake layer. Douse the cake with the alcohol. (Don't be too stingy with the spirits. The more the merrier! If you want a strong alcohol taste, you may need more than the 3/4 C.)

5) Subsequent layers: Spread a thin layer of lemon curd over the cake. Add a layer of berries. Add a layer of custard. Top with a layer of cake. "Sprinkle" with alcohol. Repeat until bowl is full. End with an alcohol-soaked cake layer on top.

6) Cover and refrigerate for 6-12 hours (or overnight). The longer the better!

7) To serve: You should have at least some curd and/or custard leftove. Add a layer of lemon curd and/or a layer of custard on top. Top with fresh berries and whipped cream. Garnish with mint if desired. Stand back and admire. Then dig in!

Custard, Lemon Curd, and Pound Cake recipes in extended post.


Okay, it's cheap alcohol, but hey, the alcohol is being eaten, not drunk. I like the fruit-flavored brandy for the trifle, but ordinary brandy is just fine too. Imbb8spirits


All the parts assembled and ready to go: trifle bowl, baster, spoons, spatula, lemon curd, custard, fruit, and cake. Imbb8trifleparts


Trifle layer number one — adding the fruit:
Imbb8triflelayer1

A spot of sunlight lights up the bowl as I douse the cake with the brandy and sherry. Imbb8addingspirits

All three recipes for the Custard, Lemon Curd, and Pound cake rounds are included here.

Basic Stirred Custard based on a recipe by Martha Split

2 3/4 C. whole milk (separate out 3/4 C of the milk)
1 C heavy cream (or half-n-half)
1 vanilla bean, split lengthwise
3/4 C sugar
1/4 C corn starch
1 pinch salt
4 egg yolks
2 Tbs unsalted butter
2 tsp vanilla

Combine 2 cups of milk, the heavy cream, and vanilla bean in a double boiler. (Don't have a double boiler? See the notes.) Heat until warm/hot, but do NOT boil. Remove vanilla bean and scrap the seeds out of the bean pod. Add the seeds back to the milk and stir. You can strain the liquid through a seive if needed/desired.

Mix sugar, salt, and cornstarch. Whisk in the 3/4 C milk. Whisk in the egg yolks. Slowly whisk this mixture into the hot milk. (i.e. pour it in slowly in a thin stream while whisking so that the eggs don't curdle.)

Cook in the double boiler over low or medium-low heat (see notes), stirring constantly until thickened. The custard should cling to a spoon. This takes approximately 10 minutes. DO NOT BOIL. Once thickened, cover and cook 8 more minutes, stirring occasionally. Then whisk vigorously for about 2 minutes (or use a hand mixer) to get rid of any lumps.

Remove from heat. Add the butter and vanilla extract, stirring until the butter melts.

When chilling for future use, cover with plastic wrap. Have the wrap laying directly on top of the custard so prevent a skin from forming.

Notes: You may need to play with the heat. The original recipe called for "low heat", but when I use low heat, it takes more than 20 minutes to thicken. I've also used salted butter and had no problems with the final taste. Just leave out the pinch of salt.

Double boiler notes: You could do this without a double boiler, but I don't recommend it. It requires extra vigillence on your part to make sure that the milk and custard don't burn. You can make your own double boiler by putting a smaller pot or heat-resistant glass or metal bowl (i.e. stainless steel bowl) in a larger pot. The smaller bowl should fit at least half-way into the pot. Add an inch or two of water to the larger pot. It is important that the water does not touch the bottom of the smaller bowl — the point is to make a cushion of really hot air between the water and the bowl holding the custard. Heat to a simmer or low boil. Et voila! A make-shift double boiler. If the bowls aren't a good fit, be careful of escaping steam, especially if you use a make-shift double-boilder for melting chocolate because the steam can condense and get into the cooking liquid (in the case of chocolate, the introduced water can cause it to seize).

Lemon Curd by Martha Split

2 C sugar
1 pinch salt
5 egg yolks
3 eggs whole
1 C lemon juice
1 Tbs lemon rind
5 Tbs unsalted butter

Mix sugar and salt in bowl. Add egg yolks and eggs one at a time, beating well. Stir in lemon juise and rind.

Place mixture in double boiler and simmer for a few minutes, stirring regularly. Add butter one tablespoon at at time, stirring constantly until nape (thickened). Remove from heat.

Cool completely. To prevent a skin formation, lay plastic wrap directly on top of the curd.

Refrigerate until ready to use.

Notes: I've used salted butter with no problems. The recipe also tastes fine without lemon zest. But if you're using zest, make sure to use fresh zest grated very finely. Reconstituted zest from dried bits (like the lemon zest sold at Penzeys Spices) does not have the right texture for this recipe.


Pound Cake
from the 1986 edition of the Betty Crocker's Cookbook
This recipe fills a 12 cup bundt cake pan or tube pan. I use it to make two 8" round cakes (plus leftover batter).

2 3/4 C sugar
1 1/4 C butter softened (salted is fine and good!)
1 tsp vanilla
5 eggs
3 cups all-purpose flour
1 tsp baking powder
1/4 tsp salt
1 C evaporated milk

Heat oven to 350 F.

Butter and flour your pan(s). Sift flour, baking powder, and salt together.

Beat sugar and butter together, add eggs and vanilla. Beat on low speed, scraping bowl constantly, for 30 seconds. Beat on high speed for 5 minutes. It should be nicely fluffy.

Return to low speed and beat in flour alternately with the evaporated milk. Pour into pans.

Do NOT filled 8" rounds to the top of the pan. Leave a bit of space just below the rim, otherwise the cakes will over flow the pans.

Bake until wooden pick inserted in center comes out clean: 70-80 minutes. Cool and remove from pan.

Then comes the fun part of cutting the cakes into slices only 1/4 to 1/2" thick. My 8" rounds can be sliced into four parts: the top gets sliced off and the remaining body of the cake can be sliced into 3 rounds. Be firm and bold with your knife, and cut with courage!

It's not that hard. Really. Practice makes perfect! Click on the photos for larger versions.

Imbb8cakelayer1
1) Take the rounded top off first. The first photo shows me taking the top off of the second cake. In the background is the upside down top of the first cake.

2) Turn the cake over. If, like mine, it got a little too dark, you can take a micro-slice off the bottom to remove the dark coating.

3) Eyeball 1/3 marks on the cake.

Imbb8cakelayers24) With one hand pressing gently on the top of the cake, slide a sharp serrated knife into the cake and begin gently cutting around the circle.

The second photo shows the cake flipped over and all of its components: the removed top, the darkened bottom scraped off (paper-thin scraps in upper left corner), first round cut off, and the knife inserted to make the second cut through the cake.

5) Lift the cake round gently and set aside. Repeat.

If your cake rounds fall apart, it's okay. Once you've layered them in the trifle bowl and covered them with custard, berries, and lemon curd, no one is going to notice that the cake was broken in pieces.

Or cheat: cut your rounds in half instead of thirds, making for thicker cake layers. Or even cut your cake into chunks and build your trifle cake layers out of the chunks.


     
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21. Tuesday, March 11, 2008 4:01 AM
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Mmmmmmm! That looks lovely! Am soon going to try and attempt that, I think...probably in a few months when we will have fresh straberries from the patch down the road.  Thanks so much for posting that recipe!!! :)


 
22. Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:47 AM
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QUOTE:I find a good portion of the stuff that I cook is British. Some of my favorites being Irish stew...

Uh, oh. [bracing myself for James' Irish retort...]

 


I'm not annoyed. We're geograpically thousands of miles away and our situation (thankfully) doesn't register on the international political radar anymore. Besides, I'm not gonna get all annoyed over one little mistake, I love each and every one of you gazetters. In fact, some of my best friends are Mexicans.


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23. Tuesday, March 11, 2008 7:34 AM
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Trifle, the name doesn't do justice to the severity of the dish itself. I was expecting something like little piece of sponge cake, topped with a pair of pig testicles wrapped in intestines and drenched with gravy.

Maybe Raymond should try it, then he could start a new thread asking if there are any other fecesmasons on the board. If there's any dish that can turn that particular idiom from figurative to literal, it must be trifle.

 
24. Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:13 PM
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Mr. Booth : " If you make fun of them, they will come out to play. " Quote from a TPGer re the Freemasons. 

Nah, i think you will be OK. However your standing with the Wortelpin may not be A-1.

 
25. Tuesday, March 11, 2008 6:42 PM
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Mr. Booth : " If you make fun of them, they will come out to play. " Quote from a TPGer re the Freemasons.

It's enough to make a person shit bricks. Figuratively, of course.
Also note that I was only playing with your thread title, never once mentioning "them".

 

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