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51. Friday, February 15, 2008 4:48 PM
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I, for one, am glad that they didn't make a sequel film to TP. They wouldn't have been able to wrap up what the finale introduced in a satisfying way, and indeed, they could have ruined what is in my mind the perfect ending to the series.

 

With FWWM they got to explore some of the mythology introduced in the finale, and gave final closure to the series to Laura, which is thematically and emotionally satisfying. I am completely convinced that Lynch made the right decisions, and if Mark Frost disagreed then he was wrong. 

 
52. Saturday, March 1, 2008 5:54 PM
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The Falls, I've personal close experience of someone who has suffered a stroke. I wouldn't compare Lynch's bad temper to the after effects of one of those though.

With regards to the last comment, so Mark Frost was wrong and Lynch was right? All hail Lynch the genius! I've rewatched FWWM recently and it doesn't stand up so well in my view. It was an interesting film, but it looks and feels rushed and lacks any real soul somehow.


 
53. Saturday, March 1, 2008 6:40 PM
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With regards to the last comment, so Mark Frost was wrong and Lynch was right? All hail Lynch the genius!


Congratulations, you've achieved message board enlightenment.

 
54. Monday, March 3, 2008 5:34 AM
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Maybe I was being a bit harsh on FWWM because I've just watched the latest UK dvd of it, which must be the latest master of it, the MK2 one? Anyway, it says 'BBC' beforehand and is actually a Cinema Club (usually produce budget releases) dvd. It's deleted now though I think, at least Play no longer stock it.

I didn't like how 'clean' and smoothed-over the picture was - I like it when you can see some of the film grain. When the BBC used to show a fullscreen version of FWWM it was a bit grainy with the odd scratch maybe! Older dvd releases also looked a bit more authentic in that way. This version looks like its been artificially cleaned up but it looks bland as a result to me! Maybe this was my shallow estimation of any 'soul' - I wasn't talking about the content of the film.

Maybe I just haven't gotten over the news that Frost and Maclachlan voiced interest back in 2006 about further adventures of Cooper - shame that didn't lead to more. Could have been pretty interesting.


 
55. Monday, March 3, 2008 2:22 PM
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tp3, I'm pretty sure it's supposed to look like the MK2 edition. If anything, the official digital version, the New Line version, looks even slicker. And there is very little film grain on the 35mm print I've seen. An original film negative from film stock like that can look very slick indeed, nothing artificial about it. When Spike Jonze was filming his "Da Funk" video with Daft Punk, he scanned the film positive instead of the negative and worked digitally from there to get a grittier, more washed out look. That worked for that video, but I don't think that should be the standard. I personally think that FWWM looks absolutely gorgeous, it's in fact my favourite Lynch film from a purely cinematographic standpoint, and by a wide margin too.


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56. Monday, March 3, 2008 2:48 PM
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QUOTE:I personally think that FWWM looks absolutely gorgeous, it's in fact my favourite Lynch film from a purely cinematographic standpoint, and by a wide margin too.

That's interesting. I would put in the bottom of the pile, next to Mulholland Drive.

 
57. Monday, March 3, 2008 3:15 PM
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I think the rich colours fit the narrative and look beautifully. Moreso than in Blue Velvet. I've never really liked the Lost Highway look all that much, although I like the film. If we're talking bottom of the heap, I think Dune is a complete miss. It just doesn't look very good at all. Btw, Mulholland drive looks fine to me. I like the Twin Peaks look too, as a whole, but the FWWM look fits that film better.

Of course, it does help that I love FWWM in almost every way. And I guess the fact that you dislike both FWWM and Mulholland dr. has no bearing on your opinion on the cinematography?


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58. Monday, March 3, 2008 3:37 PM
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QUOTE:I personally think that FWWM looks absolutely gorgeous, it's in fact my favourite Lynch film from a purely cinematographic standpoint, and by a wide margin too.

That's interesting. I would put in the bottom of the pile, next to Mulholland Drive.

 

Interesting indeed. FWWM & IE are my favorites. I can't decide which I dig the most.
 

 
59. Monday, March 3, 2008 3:46 PM
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I love Lynch to death, but he seems like he has too much of an ego to revisit Twin Peaks, like it is an arrogance thing or something.


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60. Monday, March 3, 2008 3:46 PM
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And I guess the fact that you dislike both FWWM and Mulholland dr. has no bearing on your opinion on the cinematography?

If they had been able to match BV I wouldn't dislike them as much.

 
61. Monday, March 3, 2008 3:47 PM
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Match BV as in match the "quality" of the look?


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62. Monday, March 3, 2008 3:51 PM
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Match as in depth of field. BV - deep. FWWM and MD - flat.

 
63. Monday, March 3, 2008 4:41 PM
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I can see that. I normally value depth of field too, but I think the vibrant but still subtle use of colour in a somewhat trapped atmosphere in FWWM is just right for the story. Some of my favourite films use a lot of deep focus. But I think a trapped style - for lack of a better phrase - can work wonders too, like in Vertigo (which doesn't feel real at all). It's the visual equivalent of trying to escape


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64. Monday, March 3, 2008 4:49 PM
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Before FWWM came out I remember thinking Lynch would have gone quite cinematic with it. It would look like a big proper film! But in the end it looked like a rougher version of the series. Rougher, as in it seemed to aim for a more abstract and out-there feel than the series. In just small matters like the camera jerking a little in a plain establishing shot of Twin Peaks High School. Or the rain all over the lens in the est. shot of Leo and Shelley's house. 

It had a B-movie feel, not really a massively cinematic feel I'd say. Obviously budgetary restraints figure large but also it was possibly down to the camera personnel.

Is it really arrogance that leads Lynch to choose not to go back down the Twin Peaks avenue? Maybe he just doesn't have any ideas how any Twin Peaks story could go on. He obviously intended for the series to go on for ten years from interviews, as he's said. He didn't want the Palmer mystery solved when it was.

You've got to admit its hard to think of new ways for Twin Peaks to 'live on' or continue. It does seem a shame that Maclachlan couldn't resurface as Cooper in some continuation when you look at his IMDB resume though, right?

 


 
65. Monday, March 3, 2008 4:56 PM
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QUOTE:I can see that. I normally value depth of field too, but I think the vibrant but still subtle use of colour in a somewhat trapped atmosphere in FWWM is just right for the story. Some of my favourite films use a lot of deep focus. But I think a trapped style - for lack of a better phrase - can work wonders too, like in Vertigo (which doesn't feel real at all). It's the visual equivalent of trying to escape
The thing about FWWM to me was that it didn't have even one tenth of the atmosphere of the series.
It's as if someone decided to make a movie about the horror of being eaten alive by cancer, but all they did was shoot the actor in bed screaming "I'm being eaten alive by cancer!".

 
66. Monday, March 3, 2008 5:02 PM
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Hmm even though Booth's going a little into over-the-topness I think...I'd agree. Like Peggy Lipton said about FWWM, it was harsh and different to the series. FWWM lacked any real subtlety, why exactly I'm not sure. Maybe Lynch was just doing his thing, or maybe he was bitter in some way. Or rushing. The film was made very quickly after all.

That's why a further Twin Peaks drama could be a good thing. If it returned to the feel of the series in some way. A moody feel, slowness, wet panoramas. It was bloody obvious also that FWWM was filmed in the Autumn, its crisp and hazy in the outside scenes, golden.

The series had a real February feel to it, damp, sodden, yet warm inside, sitting with a damn fine cup of Joe! FWWM was just surrealness (albeit pretty obvious stuff we'd pretty much seen before) and damp squib horror, in its worst moments at least. (I did like FWWM overall!)


 
67. Monday, March 3, 2008 5:13 PM
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Hmm even though Booth's going a little into over-the-topness I think...I'd agree.

I didn't mean to go over the top. Was it the cancer thing? All I meant was that at the end of the movie you're supposed to feel happy that Laura has finally found "peace" after so many terrible things... and I just didn't care, at all.

 
68. Monday, March 3, 2008 5:14 PM
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Twin Peaks could continue as a new series with all new actors and delve into new storylines


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69. Monday, March 3, 2008 5:24 PM
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Or the rain all over the lens in the est. shot of Leo and Shelley's house.

It had a B-movie feel, not really a massively cinematic feel I'd say. Obviously budgetary restraints figure large but also it was possibly down to the camera personnel.


I completely and utterly disagree with this. FWWM looks extremely expensive for a b-movie. I don't even know where to begin, so I won't.

Funny you should use the Johnson house as an example, as that's the old establishing shot from the pilot used all over again. The weather is in fact much nicer in FWWM as a whole. They had to reuse  the shot since the house looked completely different when they shot FWWM.


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70. Monday, March 3, 2008 5:25 PM
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Yeah I think it was the mention of cancer, but no bother, it was a point well made after all. And I agree really. In an emotional mood, I do find the ending of FWWM moving myself. But if you were a big fan of TP all that came before that seemed pretty much expected really. It wasn't novel enough.

Yeah, true they could start afresh with TWIN PEAKS. I don't see it as hallowed ground, as some claim they  see it ending on a perfect note and all that. Lynch himself sees the series as unfinished or not how it was supposed to end.

I suppose with MULHOLLAND DR there was hope for me of Lynch making an interesting new series or project akin to TWIN PEAKS but that was not to be. And the final product was ok but nothing really that thrilling for me, anyway.

It would just be nice for Lynch, perhaps with Frost, to return to something like Twin Peaks that could have mass appeal but also has a beautiful mood you love. Nothing since TP that Lynch has done has such a beautiful and beguiling mood/atmosphere, whatever one may call it.

Not many people mention this, but in his 60s now Lynch may well be a retired man, how's that idea? Will he make much more now in his lifetime? Couldn't he jumpstart something like a new Twin Peaks to provide a nest egg for his children? Or will Transcendental Meditation occupy the rest of his life?


 
71. Monday, March 3, 2008 5:30 PM
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QUOTE:I can see that. I normally value depth of field too, but I think the vibrant but still subtle use of colour in a somewhat trapped atmosphere in FWWM is just right for the story. Some of my favourite films use a lot of deep focus. But I think a trapped style - for lack of a better phrase - can work wonders too, like in Vertigo (which doesn't feel real at all). It's the visual equivalent of trying to escape
The thing about FWWM to me was that it didn't have even one tenth of the atmosphere of the series.
It's as if someone decided to make a movie about the horror of being eaten alive by cancer, but all they did was shoot the actor in bed screaming "I'm being eaten alive by cancer!".


Well, I wouldn't be interested in seeing that, but I've seen FWWM several times just the past year. It has a different kind of atmosphere. Don't you get any audiovisual pleasure from when Mike screams at Leland in the car, or from Hap's Diner?

I won't be able to convince you to like it anyway, so I'll stop here.


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72. Monday, March 3, 2008 5:37 PM
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Not many people mention this, but in his 60s now Lynch may well be a retired man, how's that idea? Will he make much more now in his lifetime? Couldn't he jumpstart something like a new Twin Peaks to provide a nest egg for his children? Or will Transcendental Meditation occupy the rest of his life?


Artists and filmmakers rarely retire.

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Don't you get any audiovisual pleasure from when Mike screams at Leland in the car

Nope, it's one of Lynch's big misfires when it comes to tension-building, next to, you're not gonna believe this, the Castigliani brothers scene from MD.

 
73. Monday, March 3, 2008 5:50 PM
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Dan Hedaya is one serious looking dude. His face has all the tension you need...


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74. Monday, March 3, 2008 6:07 PM
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QUOTE:Dan Hedaya is one serious looking dude. His face has all the tension you need...

... and his shoulders have all the hair you need...

 
75. Monday, March 3, 2008 6:19 PM
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Actually, the tension-building would be worthless if I didn't love the next scene. "Dad! WHO. WAS. THAT?? Do I know him?" But it works.
I like the Castigliani brothers scene because it's so ridiculous. It's comedy. And it has to be seen with Adam attacking their car with his golf club too. But I'm not surprised that people dislike that scene at all. You're all wrong though. Heh.


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