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> Should episode 16 be the last one I watch or is the rest worth watching???
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| 1. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:07 AM |
| s2mikey |
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My brother, who is a huge fan of the show(and the one who turned me onto it) says for someone new to the show like me I should potentially stop watching the show after episode 16 because after that the "bad" storylines start and dont let up for a while. He says there are a few scenes/storylines in there that are OK but there is a ton of "filler" or storylines that border on being completely silly. And there are a bunch of new characters introduced that dont fit well and many of our favorite characters are abandoned for a while. This doesnt sound good to me! If anythying, he says to go right to the FWWM movie after my last few episodes. Any truth to this?
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| 2. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:49 AM |
| coolspringsj |
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Bad Twin Peaks is better than 85% of TV out there. It is absolutely worth it for the David Lynch finale.
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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| 3. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 10:50 AM |
| 12rainbow |
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First of all, the highlight of Season 2 is the last episode (Lynch directed.) And if you don't get the exposition to that you'll be lost. It sheds light on FWWM, and there is also a key character introduced in the last stretch of Season 2 that appears in FWWM. You could always watch FWWM after episode 16 and the rest if you're hungry for more. Season 2 is not as abysmal as people make it out to be, though there are some goofy/weak subplots. It's why god invented the ff button.
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| 4. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:11 AM |
| Booth |
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Episodes from the pilot through to episode 16 are like phone lines, held just right by evenly spaced phone poles. After ep 16, the phone poles disappear, and the line droops to the ground, that goes on for about 13 episodes, and then at the end they place another pole, only it isn't a pole, it's a candy cane.
Skip the episodes except for the last one.
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| 5. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 11:59 AM |
| one suave folk |
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Screw the naysayers! Watch 'em ALL!!!
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| 6. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 12:06 PM |
| 3519273540 |
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The rest is definitely worth watching. There are some great moments in that stretch, besides the finale. I'm thinking of "I've got a new game" here.
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| 7. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:03 PM |
| Profeetta |
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If I remember correctly it goes like this: pilot & episodes 1-16 = Solid gold. episodes 17-24 = Crap. Can't believe it says "Twin Peaks" on the opening credits. episodes 25-28 = Great. episode 29 = Solid gold. But hey, don't believe me. Sure you should watch "the crap episodes" at least one time to decide for yourself.
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| 8. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:28 PM |
| maggit |
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| QUOTE: It sheds light on FWWM, and there is also a key character introduced in the last stretch of Season 2 that appears in FWWM. |
What character are you talking about specifically?
I would watch them all, even though some of those episodes are not so good, they all have their moments. One of my favorites is during the wine tasting when Dick tells Andy "No" as in he's wrong about a comment. I can't remember the exact dialogue but that just makes me crack up every time I see it.
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| 9. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 1:46 PM |
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QUOTE:| QUOTE: It sheds light on FWWM, and there is also a key character introduced in the last stretch of Season 2 that appears in FWWM. |
What character are you talking about specifically?
I would watch them all, even though some of those episodes are not so good, they all have their moments. One of my favorites is during the wine tasting when Dick tells Andy "No" as in he's wrong about a comment. I can't remember the exact dialogue but that just makes me crack up every time I see it. |
I'm guessing Annie.
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| 10. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:22 PM |
| Evenreven |
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By all means yes. Bad Twin Peaks is still decent television. There are many great moments, just as there are dud moments before episode 17 too. I personally hate episode 16 with a passion and prefer episode 23 to that one. Just be prepared for massive turds and plenty of Dick Tremayne. Keep your expectations low, especially during the 17-22 stretch. Skipping to episode 29 would be interesting, but it wouldn't make any sense at all as the main key and motivation for what happens in that episode is laid out well after episode 16 - for the supporting cast too. One solution to this would be to watch the long recap narrated by Kyle originally shown before episode 24 (a long "previously on..." segment with a voice-over) instead of the 17-23 stretch. That would bring you up date on most of the 17-23 plots. Then watch 24-29. But even this would mean to miss some truly great scenes and build-ups, and two genuinely good episodes. (And you would have to find it, of course. It's not on the Gold set.)
My ranking: 17-decent 18-decent 19-bad 20-good 21-really bad 22-terrible 23-great 24-decent 25-great 26-good 27-great 28-really bad 29-amazing
"What credit card do you want to put that on?" "Caash, prease."
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| 11. Tuesday, January 29, 2008 3:27 PM |
| rocksandbottles |
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The rest is absolutely worth watching. Yeah, there are some pretty dull moments, but so much other good stuff in between. And the finale...MUST. WATCH. :) It's beautiful.
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| 12. Thursday, January 31, 2008 9:15 PM |
| MayorMilford |
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I thought there was a lot of good stuff in the final few episodes. Isn't Ben Hornes Civil War in that batch of episodes? I really liked that.
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| 13. Friday, February 1, 2008 1:14 AM |
| cheeseeater |
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I think some of the best moments occur after episode 16. Some of those episodes are way better then the ones in the first season, i think.
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| 14. Friday, February 1, 2008 1:20 AM |
| jamiel8668 |
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QUOTE:I thought there was a lot of good stuff in the final few episodes. Isn't Ben Hornes Civil War in that batch of episodes? I really liked that. |
Good point. I also enjoyed Ben Horne's 'transformation' towards the end. I must say though, I otherwise found Episodes 16-26 a bit annoying in an otherwise amazing series.
"Great. Maybe after the square dance we can all take a hay-ride."
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| 15. Friday, February 1, 2008 6:17 AM |
| giospurs |
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I'm rewatching series 2 for the first time. I'm really enjoying it and am only towards the beginning but can already see that I will probably be fastfowarding through Super Nadine. I quite enjoyed her character in the first series and Ed's dilemma (which in hindsight is not much of a conundrum - drop Nadine, get with Norma ) but except a few shots of Ed's widening eyes Nadine in season 2 is a really terrible character in my opinion.
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| 16. Friday, February 1, 2008 8:36 AM |
| jamiel8668 |
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'Super Nadine'. Well said. Totally agree.
"Great. Maybe after the square dance we can all take a hay-ride."
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| 17. Friday, February 1, 2008 8:37 AM |
| Laura was a patient of mine |
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| QUOTE:I think some of the best moments occur after episode 16. Some of those episodes are way better then the ones in the first season, i think. | I'm really curious as to how you could like those episodes better than S1... please explain.
That god damn trailer's more popular than Uncle's Day in a whorehouse!
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| 18. Saturday, February 2, 2008 5:52 AM |
| cheeseeater |
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QUOTE: | QUOTE:I think some of the best moments occur after episode 16. Some of those episodes are way better then the ones in the first season, i think. | I'm really curious as to how you could like those episodes better than S1... please explain.
| Well, there is a lot of reasons. I like all those different sub - plots, and the new characters. It has an atmosphere of their own. I dont care if Lynch or whatever was not as involved in the second season as in the first season. I find it really stimulating. But the highlight is in episode 25, in the scene in the diner when Gordon cole is there and he can hear Shelley without the hearing - aid, Harry having a hangover and Cooper having a crush on Anne. That is one of the greatest moments in the whole show. What's so special about season 1? What exactly makes it so much better than the later episodes?
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| 19. Saturday, February 2, 2008 6:40 AM |
| Evenreven |
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What makes season 1 special? Oh, man, I don't know where to begin. It's the best murder mystery ever, the best soap opera ever... it may in fact be the best thing ever, just barely beating the wheel in a photo finish. Does that answer your question?
"What credit card do you want to put that on?" "Caash, prease."
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| 20. Saturday, February 2, 2008 9:31 AM |
| geoffr111 |
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QUOTE: QUOTE: What character are you talking about specifically? |
I'm guessing Annie. |
I'd guess so too, except that Annie isn't exactly a character in FWWM so much as a piece of furniture.
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| 21. Saturday, February 2, 2008 9:42 AM |
| Evenreven |
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Even though I love blood-soaked anthropomorphic blankets too, I don't really consider blankets furniture.
"What credit card do you want to put that on?" "Caash, prease."
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| 22. Saturday, February 2, 2008 10:38 AM |
| Audrey Horne |
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Annie wasn't furniture in the second season? Through the years, I've usually stopped around episode 15 after Maddy is found.
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| 23. Saturday, February 2, 2008 11:38 AM |
| Profeetta |
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I like the first season too, but in the second season it still is the best murder mystery & the best soap opera & the best thing ever for a few episodes. I don't see the quality going dramatically down until episode 17 hits the screen. Yeah, it would have been nice if the killer would have not been revealed and the murder mystery could have kept going on, but what can you do. I don't have problem with how things went, after all these years. Pilot & episodes 1-16 are just amazing. In episode 25, in the Double R scene that someone just mentioned, I felt I was watching Twin Peaks again, for the first time after ep. 16. From there on the rest of the episodes are pretty nice and the final episode is just so trippy you have to love it.
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| 24. Saturday, February 2, 2008 10:53 PM |
| Ivan Sputnik |
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The second season (much of the latter half, anyway) suffers in comparison to what came before, but I think you should watch it. It becomes "television" for a while, instead of something that transcends the medium. But it gets quite good again in the final stretch of episodes (my opinion), and you'll appreciate the mind-blowing Lynch finale episode more if you see what leads up to it.
The question is, Where have you gone?
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| 25. Monday, February 18, 2008 1:05 AM |
| Faust |
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I don't feel there is a bad episode of Twin Peaks, maybe I'm just a fanboy or something but I love every episode and every storyline. It's all great
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