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| 1. Thursday, January 10, 2008 9:19 AM |
| coolspringsj |
Glastonbury Grove trance |
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What causes Annie to go into a trance? Is it fear or merely being inside the circle of sycamore trees? I couldn't tell if this happened to Cooper, although he does stop as if in a trance momentarily before he enters the circle and tells Truman he must go on alone. Also, Truman seems to be in a trance when he is waiting on Cooper to return from the Red Room and Andy is asking if he wants coffee, breakfast, dessert, etc. Truman seems hypnotized by the oil in the circle of rocks. What is causing this? The oil? The circle of trees? The Lodge? Also, is it spelled Glastonbury or Glastonberry?
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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| 2. Wednesday, January 9, 2008 8:45 PM |
| jamiel8668 |
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I assume it's the 'side-effect' of standing at the gate to the Black Lodge.
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| 3. Friday, January 11, 2008 12:17 PM |
| Fred |
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It is spelt "Glastonbury," named after the town in Somerset, England, where King Arthur was supposedly buried, as one of the characters (Cooper?) mentions. By the way, they have a music festival there every year, which you all have probably heard of or been to, one of the biggest summer music festivals in Britain, and there are certain mystical connotations that are related to the festival having been inaugurated in the 1960s, including the Pyramid stage, which, according to some New Agers is able to focus positive psychic energy down on the preformers on stage, relating also (perhaps) to the pyramids of Ancient Egypt...
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| 4. Friday, January 11, 2008 12:59 PM |
| Requiem62 |
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If this trance is a side effect of standing in the circle of sycamores, why is Windom not effected? It's been a while since I've watched the finale, but I don't recall him being deeply effected by the lodge at all. That is, until BOB explains the rules. I always assumed it had to do with fear. -Req
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| 5. Friday, January 11, 2008 3:32 PM |
| coolspringsj |
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True, I don't remember Windham going into a trance, the other 3 acted a little odd. Maybe it didn't effect him because he is evil? I have seen it spelled both ways on TP boards and was confused - Glastonbury and Glastonberry
"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this." -Dale Cooper
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| 6. Saturday, January 12, 2008 10:16 PM |
| runningdog |
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Both spellings have been used. Glastonbury Grove was used in the scripts and Glastonberry Grove was used in the Access Guide to Twin Peaks. Lynch and Frost wrote both so why the change i don't know.
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| 7. Monday, January 19, 2009 1:00 PM |
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Resurrecting an old thread. . . I was watching recently and I had the same question about Cooper, but my take is that whatever trance-like thing happens to him--and I think something seems to happen--occurs away from the circle of trees and only momentarily. When he takes Harry's flashlight and says he needs to go on alone, he walks for a bit before he sees the circle of trees. | QUOTE: What causes Annie to go into a trance? Is it fear or merely being inside the circle of sycamore trees? I couldn't tell if this happened to Cooper, although he does stop as if in a trance momentarily before he enters the circle and tells Truman he must go on alone. Also, Truman seems to be in a trance when he is waiting on Cooper to return from the Red Room and Andy is asking if he wants coffee, breakfast, dessert, etc. Truman seems hypnotized by the oil in the circle of rocks. What is causing this? The oil? The circle of trees? The Lodge? Also, is it spelled Glastonbury or Glastonberry? |
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| 8. Monday, January 19, 2009 1:37 PM |
| morpha2 |
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I interpreted Harry's "trance" as a combination of his profound concern for Cooper and disbelief at what he saw when Cooper vanished. I don't think it has to do with the grove/Lodge--Andy was unaffected.
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| 9. Monday, January 19, 2009 6:31 PM |
| gray |
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QUOTE:I interpreted Harry's "trance" as a combination of his profound concern for Cooper and disbelief at what he saw when Cooper vanished. I don't think it has to do with the grove/Lodge--Andy was unaffected.
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Hi Morpha. I wasn't suggesting that Harry enters a trance state. He is just completely amazed at seeing Cooper enter the Lodge and disappear. My question is about what happens to Cooper _before_ he enters the circle of trees. He stops in his tracks, stands upright, and talks to Harry in a way that is slower and more monotone than normal. He then seems to be back to normal and comments to himself about the trees and the oil. What happens to him? Is it a trance? It's not as complete as what happens to Annie when she enters the circle of trees. Does Cooper's prior exposure to the Lodge spirits (Bob through Leland and Mike) somehow innoculate him against some of the impact of the exposure? Gray
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| 10. Wednesday, July 7, 2010 11:37 AM |
| sewhite2000 |
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My thinking was that Earle, who was probably trained in such things, used some sort of rapid induction hypnosis on her. She was becoming hysterical, so he pulled her in close, shone the flashlight on both of them, made eye contact and stared at her intently and spoke in very calm, even tones.
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| 11. Tuesday, January 25, 2011 1:33 PM |
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I think that Earle puts Annie in some kind of trance. Believing that she would not be ready for the Lodge, perhaps becoming too frightened and thus destroyed, he wanted to protect her until Dale arrived. Leland has a blank expression that is similar to Annie's when BOB seperates from him during the end of FWWM. He also couldn't risk Leland being destroyed due to his fear. I think that Cooper is preparing himself outside the Lodge, mentally trying to achieve a certain calm.
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| 12. Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:11 PM |
| nikkilucas |
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| QUOTE: I think that Earle puts Annie in some kind of trance. Believing that she would not be ready for the Lodge, perhaps becoming too frightened and thus destroyed, he wanted to protect her until Dale arrived. Leland has a blank expression that is similar to Annie's when BOB seperates from him during the end of FWWM. He also couldn't risk Leland being destroyed due to his fear. I think that Cooper is preparing himself outside the Lodge, mentally trying to achieve a certain calm. |
I agree with all of what you've said. I think Annie's trance was induced by Earle, b/c wasn't she becoming hysterical when he first took her into the circle?? He knew he had to calm her down or he wouldn't get anywhere with her... Cooper knew before entering that he was about to do something unlike anything he'd ever even come close to before. So he was mentally bracing himself and trying to enter in a state of perfect courage so he wouldn't be destroyed, and thus, not be able to save Annie. As far as Harry is concerned, I thought that he was awed and trying to reason out in his mind what he had witnessed. He was always a little skeptic of the things Cooper spoke of regarding his dreams, BOB, etc... and then all the sudden he saw a flash of red curtain and Cooper vanished. No denying that one. If he had been hypnotized by some other force, wouldn't Andy have also been hypnotized since he was sitting in the same area?
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| 13. Saturday, January 29, 2011 1:27 PM |
| GarlandBozia |
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It might also be the proximity to the circle/entrance to the lodge that induces this trance. I think Cooper, being very sensitive to these energies, felt something even from some distance. But it might also be, as you say, that he was preparing for his journey. He had practiced meditation so maybe he was doing something similar there. About Harry: I don't know if it was just him thinking about what had happened or maybe he had been affected by the energies too to some degree. Andy didn't come until later so he hadn't been affected by the energies to the same degree. Or maybe the energies were weaker when he arrived.
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| 14. Saturday, January 29, 2011 2:00 PM |
| Rami Airola |
RE: Glastonbury Grove trance |
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| QUOTE: I agree with all of what you've said. I think Annie's trance was induced by Earle, b/c wasn't she becoming hysterical when he first took her into the circle?? He knew he had to calm her down or he wouldn't get anywhere with her... Cooper knew before entering that he was about to do something unlike anything he'd ever even come close to before. So he was mentally bracing himself and trying to enter in a state of perfect courage so he wouldn't be destroyed, and thus, not be able to save Annie. As far as Harry is concerned, I thought that he was awed and trying to reason out in his mind what he had witnessed. He was always a little skeptic of the things Cooper spoke of regarding his dreams, BOB, etc... and then all the sudden he saw a flash of red curtain and Cooper vanished. No denying that one. If he had been hypnotized by some other force, wouldn't Andy have also been hypnotized since he was sitting in the same area? |
I agree with you except with Windom having to calm Annie down.
I recall it's said that fear and love opens the gateways. I'm pretty sure Windom was not capable to feel either one of those feelings (except when confronted by Bob). Windom needed someone to show fear in the circle. Annie knew they were approaching something evil so she prayed from the bottom of his heart. At the very moment Windom took Annie inside the circle her feeling of fear had its peak and she fell into a trance/shock out of pure fear. Windom made it very clear that there was something inside the circle and Annie must've thought it wasn't going to be anything good. At that moment Annie was basically oozing the feel of fear around. Windom enjoyed sensing that fear and he was excited about the fact that that amount of pure fear in the air will certainly open the door to the Lodge. That's what I think.
I believe Cooper tried to psyche himself to have both courage and the feeling of love. And yes, to me, Harry's "trance" was all about him being overwhelmed by the otherworldly truths he had just witnessed.
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| 15. Monday, January 31, 2011 11:59 AM |
| forgiveness |
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| QUOTE: I agree with you except with Windom having to calm Annie down. I recall it's said that fear and love opens the gateways. I'm pretty sure Windom was not capable to feel either one of those feelings (except when confronted by Bob). Windom needed someone to show fear in the circle. Annie knew they were approaching something evil so she prayed from the bottom of his heart. At the very moment Windom took Annie inside the circle her feeling of fear had its peak and she fell into a trance/shock out of pure fear. Windom made it very clear that there was something inside the circle and Annie must've thought it wasn't going to be anything good. At that moment Annie was basically oozing the feel of fear around. Windom enjoyed sensing that fear and he was excited about the fact that that amount of pure fear in the air will certainly open the door to the Lodge. That's what I think. |
This makes sense also while in conjunction with Windom having to calm Annie down when entering the Lodge. In FWWM we see BOB using Leland's fear to open the Lodge, when his face turns the color of the oil pool and circle near in the center of the sycamores, while at the same time we see Leland in a trance upon entering and the seperation from BOB. Just as Windom could not risk Annie being destroyed ahead of Dale's appearance, BOB couldn't have his host destroyed by it once inside the Lodge.
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