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1. Sunday, May 13, 2007 11:46 PM
Gordon The Did You Notice Compendium - Episode 17


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-         When Hank gives the food to Sarah we see Donna approaching Ed in the background to talk to him though she later does it again, this time without Nadine being next to them.
-         Furthermore, when the Milford Bros. are discussing we see Ed and Donna behind them while they are talking in another place.
-         Over the piano at Donna’s house there is a pictured composed of 5 photographs, probably the Hayward family (Doc, Eileen, Donna, Gersten and Harriet).
-         After the first scene of Nadine in high school we see an establishing shot of the same street where the traffic jam scene of FWWM takes place.
-         The same pants Coop wears in ep.1 are seen again being packed by him. Check also his coat hanging when Audrey enters.
-         In Leo’s house there’s still a balloon from his welcome party next to the door.
-         When Harry first sees Catherine in his office he’s carrying the paper bag with the green butt skunk he later gives to Coop.
-         When Bobby is in Ben’s office we can see Ben briefly using the fly swatter he mentions. Also check Bobby trying to put his tape in the player and the open envelope next to him; according to the script Ben didn’t even open the envelope.
-         Truman noticing Coop’s gun and badge in the table and doing to him the Bookhouse Boys sign before he’s interrogated.

-         The shot of Nadine throwing a guy is played back and forth a couple of times to make the impression that Nadine was getting impulse. The horror.

-     In the scene at the diner with Norma and Vivian we can see Coop and Truman leaving in the background. That was the end of a deleted scene where both had a conversation in one of the booths.

 
2. Tuesday, July 10, 2007 6:55 PM
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I thought I saw an Angelo behind a desk?


The sound wind makes through the pines. The sentience of animals. What we fear and what lies beyond the darkness.

 
3. Wednesday, July 11, 2007 7:45 AM
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lol Gordon.

 

I have seen/remember both the ones with Harry, the bag with the butt skunk and the "signal". As for the rest, wow I really need to watch ep.17 again.

 

lol. geek :p 


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4. Sunday, December 23, 2007 10:53 AM
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Is there another portrait on the wall of the Haywards of a woman in one of those round Elizabethan collars, or am I seeing things?

Also, when Leo moves, his closeup shows purple and green gunk on his face. Ewwww.

Another thing that's always bothered me: Bobby was away all day after his meeting with Ben (Shelley says so,)  did he actually go out for ice cream with Audrey, or did he fool around with her and she was using a cute euphemism (virgins are allowed to do other things, you know,) or both?!   Because the next time he sees her and she says they should do business he tries to kiss her, and later she has to tell him not to call her "baby." Notice the dopey look he gives her when she's in her Scarlett attire.  All I'm saying is that I don't think he's just hot for her, I think she gave him a taste of the goods in order to manipulate him. :P

 
5. Tuesday, July 29, 2008 3:44 PM
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The downhill slide of Season 2 officially begans. (and that's not being negative, just in comparison to the perfect masterpiece that has preceded this episode)

Love the opening shot of the road going through the woods. Looks like a shot you could write poetry about.

Poor Sarah Palmer has the most grief of any TP character to deal with.  Can't blame her one bit if she becomes a basketcase after all of this.

Another unreleased music theme when they are eating at Leland's reception after the funeral.  Churchlike music. We need another soundtrack, damn it!

Hank with the unusual random act of generosity - making a plate of food for Sarah.

I love the usually selfish and mischievous Audrey reaching out and being one of the main ones to console Sarah.

"Harry, I'm gonna miss this place." - Cooper .  My sentiments exactly

I think I understand Jean Renault's rage at Cooper for two blood brothers dying when he came to town.

Who is the hooded figure outside Cooper/Briggs campsite? White Lodge spirit?


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
6. Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:53 PM
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i still think its the "dweller on the threshold" that hawk talks about. which is similar to what the log lady(am i the only one who wants to call her margret?(as coop does)) says her husbands says about the oil, "it is an opening to a gateway." so i would also theorize LMFAP could be the dweller on the threshold too, as he is only seen in the waiting room(his doppelganger being in the black lodge). nice sceen cap too, coolspringsj!
scary!

 
7. Tuesday, July 29, 2008 8:22 PM
Booth RE: The Did You Notice Compendium - Episode 17


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so i would also theorize LMFAP could be the dweller on the threshold too, as he is only seen in the waiting room(his doppelganger being in the black lodge).

The dweller on the threshold is the doppelgänger, it's as simple as that.
Frost (?) borrowed it from the theosophists who in turn took it from Edward Bulwer-Lytton's novel Zanoni (where the term was invented).
Had they just used the term dweller, it wouldn't have been so clumsy.

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Who is the hooded figure outside Cooper/Briggs campsite? White Lodge spirit?

It's Merlin who has come to take Major Briggs to see if he can take a seat in the Siege Perilous.
I'm not really joking about that.

 
8. Wednesday, July 30, 2008 11:22 AM
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i still think its the "dweller on the threshold" that hawk talks about. which is similar to what the log lady(am i the only one who wants to call her margret?(as coop does)) says her husbands says about the oil, "it is an opening to a gateway." so i would also theorize LMFAP could be the dweller on the threshold too, as he is only seen in the waiting room(his doppelganger being in the black lodge). nice sceen cap too, coolspringsj!
scary!


 I think it was a White Lodge spirit coming to "abduct" Major Briggs.  This question beckons - what was the purpose of this spirit taking Briggs off to the Lodges?  Was it to warn of the upcoming struggle between Earle and Cooper?  If so, did Briggs not help out more only because he was captured by Earle?  Makes me wonder if things could have turned out differently if a more lucid Briggs was able to discuss his journey with Cooper prior to Earle kidnapping Annie.


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
9. Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:22 PM
JFK RE: The Did You Notice Compendium - Episode 17


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so i would also theorize LMFAP could be the dweller on the threshold too, as he is only seen in the waiting room(his doppelganger being in the black lodge).

The dweller on the threshold is the doppelgänger, it's as simple as that.
Frost (?) borrowed it from the theosophists who in turn took it from Edward Bulwer-Lytton's novel Zanoni (where the term was invented).
Had they just used the term dweller, it wouldn't have been so clumsy.

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Who is the hooded figure outside Cooper/Briggs campsite? White Lodge spirit?

It's Merlin who has come to take Major Briggs to see if he can take a seat in the Siege Perilous.
I'm not really joking about that.


 actually, the term and idea of a "dweller on the threshold" is from tibet. no im not joking. and i thought that was where blavatsky and then theosophy got the term. i will definitely look up that book, now that you peaked my interest. and yeah, i only call him that because its the first thing hawk talks about when coop mentions that briggs last words before disappearing were of the white lodge. but i see you point, as he was really speaking about the "meeting your shadow self" which is exactly what the lodge doppelgangers are.
is that book easy to come by?

 
10. Wednesday, July 30, 2008 1:43 PM
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 actually, the term and idea of a "dweller on the threshold" is from tibet. no im not joking. and i thought that was where blavatsky and then theosophy got the term.
is that book easy to come by?

The dweller concept existed before Zanoni but the term dweller on the threshold didn't.
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/2664/2664-h/2664-h.htm
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Amidst the dwellers of the threshold is ONE, too, surpassing in malignity and hatred all her tribe,—one whose eyes have paralyzed the bravest, and whose power increases over the spirit precisely in proportion to its fear.

 
11. Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:25 PM
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I love the usually selfish and mischievous Audrey reaching out and being one of the main ones to console Sarah.

yeah, of course the only thing I latch onto here is the character of Audrey -lol.  Lodge, dweller of the threshold -yawn to me.

I thought by this point in the series it was already firmly established that Audrey was never being selfish- just impulsive.  If you look back on it all here scheming is against someone doing wrong -the Norwegians and her father want to rape the land; Battis is recruiting girls into prostitution, etc.  The twist/reveal is when she cried while watching Leland while the others are essentially mocking him.

Of course this is attempted again -she flirts with Bobby only to obtain the evidence to save Cooper; she plays hardball with Jerry to save her father.  I think if the series went on or didn't get off course, they would never have the character do something "selfish" or "mischievous" against one of the "good guys" -it was always done for a greater good -such a great character trait.

 
12. Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:40 PM
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thanks for the link booth! very cool. i am looking forward to reading it. now i have to go through my book collection and find out where i got the idea that that term was tibetan in orgin. i think it was actually a book on the occult practices of the nazis, as they stole many terms and mythologies from tibetan culture(most obviously the swatstika, which the nazis then inverted but other symbols as well, mainly from the period pre-dating the spread of buddhism to tibet) for their secret societies that flourished between WWI and WWII(such as the thule society(which is also a term used in theosophy) and the order of the black sun, etc. etc.). anyway, the book looks great and i cant wait to start it. and when i find the book i got the information from, i will cross check it with the info you gave me and whatever else i can find on the term, and hopefully become all the more wiser.

tho i have to agree with the previous post, id rather be talking or thinking about audrey much more than all this lodge nonsense. as interesting as it is, it can lead to a lot of guess work and naval gazing, when instead i find myself thinking more "about the contents of her smile"(what a line!).

 
13. Wednesday, July 30, 2008 5:49 PM
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QUOTE: i will cross check it with the info you gave me and whatever else i can find on the term, and hopefully become all the more wiser.
It doesn't really matter since Hawk pretty much explains the whole thing. I just find the "my people call it" part really clumsy. Like if he'd been talking about some place where all people are connected, "my people call it the collective unconscious".

And yes, the lodges are the worst part of the show. It's around this time the show went from lightning in a bottle to flash in the pan.

 
14. Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:05 PM
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i wouldnt say they were the worst part. the dream sequence in ep2 and all of ep29 are personal favorites of mine, mostly because of the lodge scenes. but i mean that in a visual way. visually, i think they are some of the most interesting scenes in TP, but all the nebulous expounding and pondering of what they actually are or represent which begins after ep16, does, i agree, become tiresome. but, being the person i am, this fact we've been discussing will nag me until i figure it out. so until then, i'll be in the shadows...

 
15. Wednesday, July 30, 2008 6:14 PM
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QUOTE:i wouldnt say they were the worst part. the dream sequence in ep2 and all of ep29 are personal favorites of mine, mostly because of the lodge scenes.
That's one of the problems I have with it, the place in Cooper's dream wasn't "the lodge" until Lynch did his retcon in the last episode.

 
16. Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:25 PM
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to me thats part of the beauty of it
that it dovetails, but wasnt planned or even imagined that way when the red room scene was shot orginally for the european pilot. thats almost two years apart. tho in ep 27 they do show the curtains in the oil reflection, i wonder if they added that after they had shot ep 29 but before ep 27 aired. i remember it was on very sporadically at the end, and i believe i missed an episode or two due to being a kid and doing kid things, but i did see that one as well as the end two(which aired together) for sure, but im really not sure how long the gap was between not only the airing of the episodes, but the actually shooting schedule as well. and now all these details make this way more invoved than is worth the effort in gaining said knowledge. screw it, let talk audrey!

 
17. Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:57 PM
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The Lodge storyline was THE most interesting one by far in the Twin Peaks universe.  I don't think I'm in the minority on that one.


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
18. Tuesday, September 30, 2008 1:33 PM
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-         After the first scene of Nadine in high school we see an establishing shot of the same street where the traffic jam scene of FWWM takes place.

I just noticed that this time around.  The sky is really gray and eerie. 
 

 
19. Tuesday, September 30, 2008 2:29 PM
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-         After the first scene of Nadine in high school we see an establishing shot of the same street where the traffic jam scene of FWWM takes place.

I just noticed that this time around.  The sky is really gray and eerie. 
 

 Every day is like Sunday, every day is silent and gray...


"Harry, I'm going to let you in on a little secret. Every day, once a day, give yourself a present. Don't plan it, don't wait for it, just let it happen. Could be a new shirt at the men's store, a catnap in your office chair, or two cups of good, hot, black coffee. Like this."  -Dale Cooper

 
20. Sunday, May 15, 2011 7:02 AM
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Major Briggs took Cooper for a night of fishing and sitting at the fire and urinating in the open air, which obviously is one of the greatest things ever

- and instead what are they doing? Did you notice what they are indeed eating? MARSHMALLOWS! The horror continues in what seems at first sight to be a really decent scene of this rather weak episode... Wonder if those were hickory sticks they were using?

 

 

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Hank with the unusual random act of generosity - making a plate of food for Sarah.


Not unusual. I've come across the likes of Hank and I'd say it's typical of them: to be nice, friendly and smiling - when it costs you nothing. OK, it's a talent, a talent to make a good impression (or avoiding euphemisms: to lie about your real intentions); not everybody is capable of being nice and promising that they've really thought over their lives and are going to change. Hank was and I think he even fooled Norma for some time. She didn't want him back but he made her believe that he does deserve his second chance because he was so "golden-mouthed". Or generous, preparing food for the grieving widows.


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