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26. Monday, April 23, 2007 7:00 AM
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One of the reasons I've always found Quentin Tarantino overrated is I can see how heavily he's 'borrowed' from Wild At Heart - particularly in the screenplay for Natural Born Killers. 


 Are you really sure about this though? I mean, Tarantino's not shy from mentioning movies he's taken things from, and I've never heard anything about him mentioning Lynch or Wild At Heart. I know there are many similarities between WAH and Tarantino's works, but there are many differences too. It could just be coincidence (Natural Born Killers had been sitting on shelves for years... I'm pretty sure Tarantino wrote it in his video store days, before Reservoir Dogs, which means it could have been written before WAH even came out). The similarities could be explained by the fact that both Tarantino's films and WAH were inspired by 70's exploitation flicks... I suppose it's possible WAH inspired Tarantino to some degree, but then again it's always possible that he's never even seen it. I mean it is considered an art film, and Tarantino doesn't seem like the type that sees many of those...


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27. Monday, April 23, 2007 2:52 PM
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Maybe you have a point. It's been years since I saw Natural Born Killers but there were a few things that seemed like they were lifted directly from Wild at Heart - one was a witch flying at them in the desert - and I've never forgotten them. I agree his influences aren't the same as DL's but the way he uses dialogue, music and pop-culture has always struck me as suspiciously Lynchian.   


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28. Monday, April 23, 2007 4:22 PM
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The problem I have with WAH may just be that I don't believe in the love between Sailor and Lula the way the narrative (I think) wants me to.  I personally find it easier to believe that these two are just really, really stupid and don't know any better than to hump constantly than I do the idea that their pure love conquors all, etc. etc. blah blah blah.  Cause actually, I think I pretty much like every part of the movie they aren't in.  :)


 I don't think you have to "buy" the love story.  I grew up pretty low-class and couples like Sailor and Lula were all around me... what's the difference between being in love and being too stupid to know better than to hump constantly?  Do you really think there's a deeper love out there for them?  I mean, Romeo and Juliet are dumb kids who kill themselves for nothing.... isn't that the point, or am I more of a cynic than I realize?

This shouldn't suggest I don't find Sailor and Lula interminably boring.  I, too, like every part they're not in.

 
29. Tuesday, April 24, 2007 7:50 AM
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Maybe you have a point. It's been years since I saw Natural Born Killers but there were a few things that seemed like they were lifted directly from Wild at Heart - one was a witch flying at them in the desert - and I've never forgotten them. I agree his influences aren't the same as DL's but the way he uses dialogue, music and pop-culture has always struck me as suspiciously Lynchian.

Don't overlook the fact, though, that Tarantino didn't direct NBK; Oliver Stone did. And many of the visuals used by Stone -- all that hallucinatory stuff -- is Stone's own, not Tarantino's. I think QT's chief influence on his original screenplay were films such as Badlands.

I'd also disagree with the point about dialogue. QT's attempts to be naturalistic, whereas Lynch opts for a far more unnatural style.

As a big fan of both these directors, I'd say I've never considered there to be any similarities between their works, oddly enough! 


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30. Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:33 AM
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I don't know about direct "influences", but it's certainly fair to say that without WAH, the ultraviolent indie wave of the early 90s may not have happened at all - it would definitely have been harder to get a movie like NBK greenlighted without the success of WAH, that much is undeniable. Of course, that's not the same as WAH being a direct influence on Tarantino though - although it would surprise me if QT never watched TP when it was originally aired, because it was a pretty huge cultural phenomenon


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31. Wednesday, April 25, 2007 6:50 AM
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QUOTE:  I am sorry i am  not  aware of the conditions during production of Dune ( i am trying 2 work out if your talkin bout Dune at this point but i think you are). Could you indulge my ingorant mind and someone explane this quote for me.


 Well, there is this phenomenally useful tool which I have found fairly indispensible in my modern existence. It's called www.google.com. Could come in handy the next time you're not sure about something...... (sorry, I couldn't resist!)

There are many articles on this subject knocking around on the internet, but there's quite a good summary here. You can scroll back and forth thru that article for other info about the Dune shoot. This is quite a famous Dune-related quote from Lynch that I got from the same article:

 

“I started selling out on Dune.  Looking back, it’s no one’s fault but my own.  I probably shouldn’t have done that picture, but I saw tons of possibilities for things I loved, and this was the structure to do them in.  There was so much room to create a world.  But I got strong indications from Dino de Laurentiis of what kind of film they expected, and I knew I didn’t have final cut.  A little by little, and this is the danger, because it doesn’t happen in chunks, it happens in the tiniest little shavings, little sandings- little by little, every decision was always made with them in mind and their sort of film.  Things I felt I could get away within their framework.  So it was destined to be a failure to me.”

So DL's experience on Dune may well have provided the inspiration for that scene in Mulholland Drive, when Adam Kesher is told "it's no longer your film"


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32. Thursday, April 26, 2007 12:28 AM
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QUOTE:I don't know about direct "influences", but it's certainly fair to say that without WAH, the ultraviolent indie wave of the early 90s may not have happened at all - it would definitely have been harder to get a movie like NBK greenlighted without the success of WAH, that much is undeniable. Of course, that's not the same as WAH being a direct influence on Tarantino though - although it would surprise me if QT never watched TP when it was originally aired, because it was a pretty huge cultural phenomenon
I think you're right that Tarantino must have seen TP, and given how much he loves ALL movies, undoubtedly he also saw WAH. But NBK was written long before Oliver Stone's film version came out. I don't have reference to hand, but I believe it was the second screenplay QT sold, which I think means it must have been written around 1989/90. I'll try to track down further details in one of my QT books.


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33. Thursday, April 26, 2007 7:43 AM
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I don't see how it matters whether Tarantino saw Twin Peaks or not... there is absolutely no similarity between TP and Tarantino's work.


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34. Friday, April 27, 2007 2:29 AM
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QUOTE:I don't see how it matters whether Tarantino saw Twin Peaks or not... there is absolutely no similarity between TP and Tarantino's work.

Which is what I said in post #30 anyway!  



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35. Friday, April 27, 2007 3:49 AM
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QUOTE:I don't see how it matters whether Tarantino saw Twin Peaks or not... there is absolutely no similarity between TP and Tarantino's work.


 I don't see to any similarity between Lynch and Fellini's work either, but that doesn't mean that Fellini isn't an influence on Lynch! Likewise Kevin Smith - and yet he freely admits that TP is one of the things that inspired him. Just because you can't SEE the influence, doesn't mean it's not there.

Besides, there are several moments in WAH that are Tarantino-esque.....

 


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36. Friday, April 27, 2007 1:57 PM
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The "tailgating" scene in Lost Highway is really Tarantino esque.

 
37. Friday, April 27, 2007 2:41 PM
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I'm just saying that Tarantino was not influenced by TP... I don't know about WAH... but Tarantino is usually pretty loud and open about his influences, and as far as I'm aware he's never dropped Lynch's name in his rather frequent interviews.

BTW off topic, does anyone know if it's true that Eli Roth was an assistant to Lynch for five years? I didn't want to start a new topic for the question, and this conversation is semi related...


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38. Friday, April 27, 2007 4:16 PM
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I think it's more likely that both Lynch and Tarantino have many of the same influences from 40s, 50s and 60s films.


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39. Friday, April 27, 2007 6:25 PM
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QUOTE:I think it's more likely that both Lynch and Tarantino have many of the same influences from 40s, 50s and 60s films.
Exactly. It's not as if Tarantino is the first person to do exploitative violence on screen.  Look at Sam Peckinpah's films, for example.

 
40. Wednesday, May 16, 2007 1:03 PM
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QUOTE: Besides, there are several moments in WAH that are Tarantino-esque.....

You mean it the other way round, I suppose? Tarantino is WildAtHeartesque?... ;-)
 


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41. Tuesday, May 22, 2007 7:06 AM
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WAH is up there wit the best for me. I only barely made it through Eraserhead and disliked Dune also. The others are all equally great in my opinion.

 

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