Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...

it's pileated, isn't it?

As has been speculated before, I think the physical Cooper has been inhabited by Bob, becoming the evil doppelganger.  Now he will run around wreaking havok and mangling souls.  Sorry for the word of warning.

-cg

Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...

There´s a lot of "Headbanging" going on i TP. That´s how Maddy was killed, that´s how Nadine got back to...eeeh normal, Teresa was killed this way, Ben hit his head in the final eps etc etc. This diffinately has a meaning. We talked about this a long time ago but I can´t recall what people said about it.

The bhuddists believe the head is the holiest on the body, the soul is in the head.... or something. One of the worst things you can do to a bhuddist is hitting someones head. This could be a part of the answer since Lynch/Cooper is so fachinated by Tibet

I think Coopers body and evil soul is out of the BL. The good soul i trapped in the lodge. I prefer so look at the BL as an image of ones mind. In this case Coppers mind.

Sorry, I´m too tired. I would like to go on about this whole mind/mirror stuff. It´s been ages since I´ve taken part in any of these discussions but I seriously need some sleep. 

Ditte 

lol, mabey all of these 'head bangin' folks are closet heavy metalists.

in the last episode, wassn't there a flame pouring from Bob's head[ in reference to the buddhist comment]?.
 

it's pileated, isn't it?

The mirror smash was there because it's a very impressive way of ending a show (or be it, a season of the show).
Because there is no next episode, they didn't need to bother with the 'rationality' of it, like: how is he going to explain his behaviour to Harry and Doc? have they not heard him laugh and repeat "how's Annie"? how is he going to make up for the lost toothpaste? ;-) and so on - this is all irrelevant.

Excuse me but this is the only good way of answering that question  I've heard other things but they are nonsense he he he.

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QUOTE:By the way, if we think that Mr. Robertson used to molest Leland when he was a kid at Pearl Lakes and because of that Leland came out to be that twisted person he was (Bob), then what did Bob do to Dale in the Black Lodge if he ended up being in the same condition Leland was? Naughty, eh .

Hehe.

Well, seriously I think Bob brought out the worst in Dale. He found Coopers weaknesses and bad sides that he has always tried to repress.
Oh no. I hope we aren´t getting back to those "different kind of possesion" debates!!!

Anyways, good point about Windom and Bob in the last eps. 

Ditte 

That's a good one,Rami ...what did BOB really do to Dale?Maybe he took his soul and let the body alive.He inhabited his body,i really have no idea,but I don't think BOB did the same to Coop,as he did to Leland,when he was a kid.
Leland was a little boy,and was in the real world,and we know that there the BL lodge spirits don't have so much power as they have in the black lodge.We know they need the special "invitation" to enter our world (the chant -FWWM)and they also can't enter one's body if one doesn't let them in(for example Laura-she didn't let BOB in,but Leland did)
But Cooper was in the BL, he was weak and couldn't face his past (Caroline's death,Windom Earle) and in the end he was feeling fear...When one's heart is sufficiently pure(pure evil,or pure good) th lodge is entered ,but if it is faced with perfect courage the soul may pass to perfection,if not...the soul is annihilated.Cooper couldn't pass his way to perfection,but what really happened with his soul...

Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...

Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...

Well, maybe in your opinion.  In my opinion, though, that's a total cop-out.  Do you also think the Josie drawer-pull thing is irrelevant and that its just there because it's "an impressive way of ending a show"?  Cause they thought that would be the last ep at the time it was created.  So, same thing.

Even if you do think that's all there is to both endings, it's still a pretty lame cop-out.  You're basically refusing to think about it because you can't make sense out of what it might mean.  Lighten up.

I don't understand what "cop-out" means but I can sense it is supposed to make me feel like a stupid jackass

Well it didn't quite work ;-)

Even more absurdly, yes indeed I tend to believe the Josie-drawer thing is mostly "an impressive way to end..." perhaps not the show, but the subplot.
But actually, let's leave Josie out of it because these two situations do not have to go together (ie I could be a great supporter of the "Josie's soul in wood" theory and still think the same about the Cooper-mirror case... right?).

So what exactly is it, you don't like about what I said, Geoff?
Why do we have to bother with how Cooper is going to explain his laughter, broken mirror and waste of toothpaste?

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Well, Bob...

There are a couple of things I didn't like about what you said.  First--and this is something I don't like about nearly everything you say--your attitude that your interpretation is the only correct one and that all others are "stupid" or "make no sense," etc., really stinks.  I'm pretty sure most people here come to this board to discuss Twin Peaks, not just to hear Bob's almighty and unshakable interpretation... nor to hear that their own ideas are stupid because he says so.

Basically, what I'm saying is that the way you express yourself isn't very courteous.  You come off as really cocky and not particularly receptive to the ideas of others.  Is this your intent?  Maybe it's a language barrier.
 
Secondly, a "cop-out" is, among other things, an excuse for inaction or evasion. You are evading the question originally asked by saying that it is nothing more than a cool way to end the show.  Even if other interpretations "make no sense," to you, again, your thoughts on the matter are hardly definitive.
 
And lastly, I am not sure what you mean in your reply about Josie.  Her death in no way "ended" her storyline since the Packard drama kept barreling on until the end of the series.  Maybe you don't understand what I was suggesting.  If you can, as you say, read something into the idea of her being trapped in wood, then it seems curious that you would cop-out as you are with the end of the finale.  These scenes are similar in their shock value meant (among other things, surely) to introduce a cliffhanger that would encourage fans to contact the network and keep the series alive.

Geoff, you must have had a hard time with me when I was more active, I never realised  ;-)

On a serious note, thank you for your honest post, I appreciate that very much. You raised some very interesting points, I'll try to answer...

Regarding Twin Peaks and its interpretations

Now I am not sure what you meant in the Josie thing but let me make it clear that I DO NOT like reading too much to the drawer scene. I find it exactly the way you wrote here...

And that counts for both drawer and Ep.29 final scenes. Shock value is their biggest value IMO (apart from aesthetical, especially in the drawer scene). That's because I find neither of them to be meant to have a direct follow-up.
Yes, the Packard plot goes on, as you've pointed out in your essay, which I find excellent btw, but in the next episodes nobody or nothing refers directly to the drawer... whether her soul is traped or not does not change anything, it's just a poetical vision...

In the same way, if there was to be a Season 3, I expect they would explain Cooper's strange behaviour in some easy way and go on with the story, and NOT concentrate on what exactly his 'how's Annie' words or his laughter meant.
Can you see what I mean? - if such a scene happened in the middle of an episode, the creators would have to take into account that Truman and Doc must have heard Cooper's words and laughter, and so either make the 'evil Cooper' act in a more secretive way, or be consequent and make him jump out of that bathroom and start acting wildly immediately.

But here the point is different: to show the viewers (with a shock value like all hell!) what really happened to Cooper, and not to suggest what the story in continuation might look like.
The continuation is left for the viewers' imagination and potentially for the next season. But at that very moment it is of secondary importance comparing to making us realise what happened in the Black Lodge.

Regarding your personal comments

No, I don't think it is a language barrier. I may not understand cop-out or other expressions (thanks for explaining) but in general I'm alright with my English, thank you. However, it is more likely to be a cultural difference. Comparing the way people interact here and on the other, Polish board where I am active (and both boards are similar in many ways), I notice that in Poland we tend to be much more straightforward. Less "courteous" as you put it, more direct. But remember that the same words mean different when different people use them. To some extent these are individual differences, alright, and there you can call me boorish if you wish, but there might also be cultural differences, more general, and so I am not sure if you wish to call our standards of behaviour boorish?...

But yes, I am straightforward, and if I don't like someone's opinions, I say it, but it does not in any way indicate disrespect for the person! I like to share opinions, to give mine and listen to others. I like it when people discuss with me, agreeing or disagreeing, the way Gordon and I get along should serve as the best example. I have always been most active in those threads, which were about discussing, exchanging and commenting on other people's opinions (including disagreements, but first of all: LISTENING), never COPING-OUT of them...  
Also, opposite to the way you seem to be suggesting, I am willing to change my mind when the discussion lets me see things in a new perspective. I have changed my mind a lot of time on this very board, too. So how is that not receptive of other people's opinions?

Finally, I realise you mean more than my latest posts, but indeed I DO USE emoticons and other disclaimers showing my distance to what I say. Here in this thread I said I found other interpretations 'not making sense' but if you care to look closer, it wasn't all that serious... was it?

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Quoted for nutritious goodness. 

The language barrier strikes back...! I have no idea what you meant to say by that JVS Cant

'Poetic' not 'poetical', I suppose, nevertheless the nutrition leaves me confused ;-)

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I like to think that there is just one 'physical' Cooper and that the evil doppelganger Coop is, if you like, the little devil on the shoulder paralleled to the angel on his other. (with language barrier in mind, this is like a metaphor for a person's conscience like in the old Disney cartoons.. lol) The evil (BOB) has taken control of the physical vessel and 'trapped' the good ever-present in Coop away so that it no longer has a bearing in his life. Just as BOB had 'taken' the souls of Windome Earl and even Cooper himself in the Black Lodge, he is free to control them as he wills.

This is random but, Christian teachings has speculated that a significant goal of the devil would be to 'possess' or control a figure of innocence and light, as a way of corrupting a figure created in the image of God. For BOB and the other agents of the Black Lodge, taking the soul of, and controlling a person like Dale Cooper (an obvious hero and symbol of righteousness) is all the more powerful an achievement and prospect for future cruelty. And like Leland (taken long before by BOB), the good within Dale is still present somewhere in that world.  

"And the angels wouldn't help you.. Because they've all gone away.."

    - Laura Palmer, 'Twin Peaks: Fire Walk With Me' 

Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...

Beware of BOB

When I call out no one can hear me,when I whisper he thinks the message is for him only..my little voice inside my throat,I always think there must be something that I've done or something I can do...But no one no one comes to help,he says,a little girl like you...