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1. Friday, October 27, 2006 5:28 AM
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Me and a mate were having a drunken chat the other night about this aspect of Mulholland Drive. We both subscribe to the view that the end is really the start and the start is really the end and the blue box part is the point where the figure-8 'time-loop' is completed. This is obviously assuming the afterlife theory i.e. that the first act is some kind of pergatory for Diane, which is debateable in itself. Any body else subscribe to this view?

There was also a mini-discussion about how the first 2/3 was like the fat bottom part of the figure eight and the second 1/3 was like the smaller top part of the figure-8 which sounded quite revelatory at the time but kinda sounds bollocks now that i'm sober...


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2. Friday, October 27, 2006 5:59 AM
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Well there's no fade-to-white at the end, and when I think about it, Diane goes through her living hell every time someone watches MD. So in way it is an infinite loop of torture for poor Diane. Sorry if thats not the happy ending you would like man but console yourself by remembering 'It is all an illusion, there is no band!'


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3. Friday, October 27, 2006 9:33 AM
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I'm just happy to see CCC has come around to believing in Heaven!

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4. Friday, October 27, 2006 11:39 AM
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Ha Ha! I'm eagerly awaiting Erwin's response to that !

 *munches popcorn* 


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5. Friday, October 27, 2006 11:55 AM
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You call that a response? Thats a cop out you heathen!!


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6. Friday, November 10, 2006 7:46 PM
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The narrative structure of Lynch's films seems to reflect Lynch's idea --which he states in one of his "Angry Dog" cartoon strips-- that there is no point in the space-time continuum which can be explicitely described as "the present".  This elimination of the idea of the "now" can be seen in the way Bill Pullman talks to himself over the intercom at the end of LH, and in the way the real estate woman thinks she hears something in the apartment when Naomi Watts vanishes near the end of MD, etc.


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7. Sunday, November 12, 2006 7:59 PM
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A bit off topic, but the looping pattern of LH kind of bugs me, because no matter how I look at it they don't make any kind of sense whatsovever, not even with dream logic. I sort of get how it works in MD, but I couldn't explain... it's sort of a feeling, but it just seems lazy with Lost Highway. Not that I usually look for DL to make sense, and maybe I'm wrong here, but I think you have to make some sort of sense, no matter how surreal the movie is. If Coop was suddenly possessed by BOB for no reason at the end of TP no one would like it...


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8. Monday, November 13, 2006 6:40 AM
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The reason Cooper isn't seemingly possessed by Bob for no reason is because the series has explained the logic that's at work. Lost Highway does the same thing. The ending doesn't come out of nowhere - it's the culmination of all the events that have gone before it. Fred/Pete is rejected by Renee/Alice a second time. We're given enough information to understand the cycle may lead to more identities and more violence but due to time restrictions we only get a glimpse of a much larger picture. Lost Highway is also a mobius strip world so the end must connect to the beginning to complete the 


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9. Monday, November 13, 2006 8:21 AM
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I just don't see how he suddenly went back a few days in time, or how going back in time connects to the Pete/Alice storyline at all... If you could even partially explain that, please do. I still don't see how it didn't come out of nowhere.


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10. Monday, November 13, 2006 12:43 PM
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You have to bear in mind the film isn't supposed to have a conventional narrative structure. You start with the idea of the psychogenic fugue (http://psychogenicfugue.com/definition.html and here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fugue_state) then you think about the fugue as a musical composition. According to Wikipedia

It begins with a theme stated by one of the voices playing alone. A second voice then enters and plays the same theme, while the first voice continues on with a contrapuntal accompaniment. The remaining voices enter one by one, each beginning by stating the same theme. The remainder of the fugue develops the material further using all of the voices and, usually, multiple statements of the theme.

That ties in with what I wrote about the film ending before further identities can be added. The multiple statements of the theme are jealousy or rejection. If you want a literal explanation of how Fred can phone himself at the beginning of the film there isn't one. It's like asking how Santa fits down chimneys, or how reindeer fly! If you want realism you've strayed into the wrong genre lol! As for the Mobius strip, look here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobius_strip.

 And now it should all make perfect sense!


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11. Monday, November 13, 2006 7:01 PM
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Ok, I'm sorry, but I really don't get what you're saying. I still think of the whole "Dick Laurant is dead" thing as a kind of lame attempt to make it wrap around itself.... but whatever. Still an excellent film. That one part just bugs me. Usually I don't ask for DL to make sense... just to have a point... but having the film wrap around itself just seems like it was a fad at the time... I don't see how it was necessary for that film.


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12. Wednesday, November 15, 2006 8:32 AM
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Totally agree Erwin!

So really it's not that you don't get the ending LWAPOM, it's just that you don't like it. I don't get why anyone would cast Balthazar Getty but that's just another way of saying I don't like him. As David Lynch films go the Dick Laurant is dead aspect of the narrative isn't particularly challenging. Fire Walk With Me and Mulholland Drive have much more complex endings. At the end of the day nobody can say they're 100% certain what Dick Laurant is dead really means so it's muda ado about nothing really. I think I understand the film perfectly, and maybe I'm totally wrong, but it works for me and it adds to my enjoyment of Lost Highway. That said, I can't think of another film with an ending that connects to the beginning in such a satisfying way so maybe I have the advantage.

It's just one small aspect of Lost Highway and I don't suppose it's even that important in the scheme of things. Do you like the film other than that?


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13. Thursday, November 16, 2006 9:49 AM
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Yes the film was very good, but it's not one of my favorites of Lynch's... But I both don't get and don't like the "Dick Laurant is dead" thing... it would've been fine without it. However I loved the very ending with the whole process starting over again... also LH confused me far more than Mulholland Dr. (which is my no. 2 Lynch film, but I consider it to be easier to understand than almost any other "surreal" movie of his), and the I understood most of the important stuff in FWWM (I think). Whereas the whole LH ending confused me... in a good way though (except for the aforementioned thing).


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